California, revisited. Canary Asses ?
Gentlemen,
I went to Calguns and read the poll. There is a bit of wiggle room in the question ..the fact remains ;
More respondents claimed that they believe the Second allows for no governmental controls then we get right here on GB.
I intend dropping my vocal resistance to selling to California as of now.
Personally ..I myself probably would not sell to them .as a strident middle finger to more gun laws. Particularly those I do not need to obey. THAT is the main reason I have no suppressors/full autos, ect...these are laws I have no intention of EITHER breaking...or doing the crawling necessary to obtain those items.
If Californians decide to `go to the wall' over the next round of gun control coming, before it hits here..I will be there with bells on..if they will have me.
EVERY Patriot is worth saving...and I believed there were none in California.
This action was brought about by some articulate California residents..something I was convinced did not exist.
Canary Asses...I ask you to think about it a bit, and give me some impute here. Have I went off the trolley, completely ?
My position is ; I would not necessarily urge dealers to sell out there. Nor will I urge them Not to.
Giving them the same options you or I would want.
I went to Calguns and read the poll. There is a bit of wiggle room in the question ..the fact remains ;
More respondents claimed that they believe the Second allows for no governmental controls then we get right here on GB.
I intend dropping my vocal resistance to selling to California as of now.
Personally ..I myself probably would not sell to them .as a strident middle finger to more gun laws. Particularly those I do not need to obey. THAT is the main reason I have no suppressors/full autos, ect...these are laws I have no intention of EITHER breaking...or doing the crawling necessary to obtain those items.
If Californians decide to `go to the wall' over the next round of gun control coming, before it hits here..I will be there with bells on..if they will have me.
EVERY Patriot is worth saving...and I believed there were none in California.
This action was brought about by some articulate California residents..something I was convinced did not exist.
Canary Asses...I ask you to think about it a bit, and give me some impute here. Have I went off the trolley, completely ?
My position is ; I would not necessarily urge dealers to sell out there. Nor will I urge them Not to.
Giving them the same options you or I would want.
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If there are true advocates of the constitution, and amendment II, then, no you are not "off your trolley". If you have found kindred spirits over there, "behind enemy lines" so to speak, then they need our help. That would be the best way to send the message that we will NOT go along with more of their gun grabbing, back stabbing bull-puckey, and we won't allow our compatriots in CA to go it alone.
Just my 2 bits.............0 -
I have been impressed by the opinions and statements of at least two of the recent additions to the forum.
ratduster77 and rcomps have given me hope that all is not lost in CA, and that there actually are efforts being undertaken to take back what has been taken.
I am not a seller, and if I were, would be reluctant to allow myself to be registered by the State of California, but have decided that given the right situation, there are principled people in California that will have my financial support.0 -
so easily duped... 0 -
I really don't think you want my opinion, but here goes:
Calguns IMO, is not an area of numberous patriots. I will admit, that I only read the first page of the link posted. Too many posters either happy with infringements OR not really taking in the weight of the question from the poll. I have seen MANY, MANY examples of their posters over here on GB, and to say I am unimpressed is an understatement. The folks come crying, bawling, and argueing. They ALLWAYS start out boo-hooing over sellers refusing Kommiefornia sales. Then they prop up the tired old "your doing what the ANTI's want!".
How many come here, discussing the issues, and leave out the Cali crap? They come here, to soften us to THEIR agenda. WHO would actually WANT to belong to a forum of comprimisers, if they truely belived as WE do?
Befriend those you see fit, I won't be breaking bread with ANY of them anytime soon.....0 -
+1 James. 0 -
I'm Ben Cannon. Amongst other things; I am a board member of The Calguns Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to legal activism and changing the landscape of CA law.
Members of the board of CGF have already caused the CA DOJ to write the Governor literally *begging* to be striped of the power to create new 'assault weapons.' CGF is not even 1 year old yet, and already we have made history in frightening an oppressive government enough to voluntarily strip itself of power...
CGF will not stop until you can CCW (via shall-issue) a select fire MP5 in this state.
http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ <- check it out.0 -
quote:Originally posted by artherd
I'm Ben Cannon. Amongst other things; I am a board member of The Calguns Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to legal activism and changing the landscape of CA law.
Members of the board of CGF have already caused the CA DOJ to write the Governor literally *begging* to be striped of the power to create new 'assault weapons.' CGF is not even 1 year old yet, and already we have made history in frightening an oppressive government enough to voluntarily strip itself of power...
CGF will not stop until you can CCW (via shall-issue) a select fire MP5 in this state.
http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/ <- check it out.
a) you're missing the point
b) provide concrete proof (like a copy of the DOJ letter you speak of, laws stricken down, etc.)0 -
HB,
I am not one of your CA's, but I agree with your stand.
As a FFL holder I do not sell to CA residents just because:
1. I don,t need the business,
2. Or the hassle of the extra paperwork,
3. And the possibility of some AH in Sacramento finding I didn't dot the right I or cross the right T ![V]0 -
I read on their forums after I posted earlier - some of them refer to us Canaries as "insane". Literally calling out the CA's by name (too bad we have the same initials as kommiefornia) and labeling us insane, simply for wanting a return to constitutional principles. There are some NO COMPROMISE people (just from a base glimpse on the poll #1 mentioned) but from what I gleened, there are more that are comfortable with infringements.
I guess indoctrination works, when you're brought up with restrictions you don't feel so wronged by them (until you're eyes are opened, then you go WTH!!!!).0 -
quote:Originally posted by rkba4ever
I read on their forums after I posted earlier - some of them refer to us Canaries as "insane". Literally calling out the CA's by name (too bad we have the same initials as kommiefornia) and labeling us insane, simply for wanting a return to constitutional principles. There are some NO COMPROMISE people (just from a base glimpse on the poll #1 mentioned) but from what I gleened, there are more that are comfortable with infringements.
I guess indoctrination works, when you're brought up with restrictions you don't feel so wronged by them (until you're eyes are opened, then you go WTH!!!!).
Experienced this way before C.A. were ever conceived. Might have even shared it [the experience] here at some point.
Oh and don't you even dare to think of criticizing the NRA.
Here we go:
quote:
FreedomIsNotFree
From what I've seen, there are plenty of regular members of the GB forum that recognize the lunacy the Canary Asses speak of. Their leader, Highball, is regularly called out for his ridiculousness.
quote:impactco
My point in doing this was to educate the dealers and sellers that frequent GB that we are fighting the good fight here and need them to cooperate with us in interstate firearms commerce. This was a larger goal beyond the Canary Asses "getting it".
Now they are here to educate us. [xx(]
I think it's self-explanatory at this point who these people are.0 -
We (I ) am being called insane ? By Calguns ? What a surprise. Right there in the bastion of evil...California..they use the word 'insane' to describe Americans.
Lets see...right here, in this happy little forum, Mid-America, Free States, we were called that a couple days ago by a poster...and I personally have been called insane and WORSE for 8 years on here.
Nothing new at all, there.
'Don't WANT your opinion ?" Of Course I want the opinion of an intelligent man...ANY time.0 -
Here you go Highball:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=144627
Pay attention.0 -
Read it. Reads like entering a sewage pit...and the lumpy turds are native Californians.
As I stated ..there are the 3 % . We were bombarded with the utter garbage last week...and mixed in were a couple of decent human beings.
The rest of the scum-bags are human debris.
Perhaps it is time to institute a 'test' for gun buying.
One would ask one simple question ; Do you believe that gun control is a good thing ?
An afirmative answer indicates that the buyer is not an American..so no sale.0 -
HB, I agree, I also think that with a bit of agitprop and education the numbers can be advances significantly. Remember, a lot of people here were not exactly the same material just a short time ago, so it is possible to learn the right from wrong, but all depends on the teachers. 0 -
We (I ) am being called insane ? By Calguns ? What a surprise. Right there in the bastion of evil...California..they use the word 'insane' to describe Americans.
It has been my experience that oftentimes, when one is referred to as insane, a nutjob, or a lunatic, it most likely means he absolutely correct and on the right track.
Example: The good Representative from Texas.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
It has been my experience that oftentimes, when one is referred to as insane, a nutjob, or a lunatic, it most likely means he absolutely correct and on the right track.
Example: The good Representative from Texas.
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quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
HB,
I am not one of your CA's, but I agree with your stand.
As a FFL holder I do not sell to CA residents just because:
1. I don,t need the businees,
2. Or the hassel of the extra paperwork,
3. And the posability of some AH in Sacramento finding I didn't dot the right I or cross the right T ![V]
Good luck with that; if KA (California) fails (totally to protect the 2nd) which state is next? Did you know that D.C. has now taken the approved list for handguns and made it there law? What happens in KA affects all of us it is just a matter of time. I know I live behind enemy lines and I do what I can (short of marching to the Capital with guns drawn as I would just end up dead) I vote talk to people about the RKBA and take nonshooters shooting all the time (I even pay for the ammo)
But you all just live in our own little word and if KA fails to keep RKBA and your next you have a BIG I told you so coming your way.
Also it is nice to know you have so much money that you will not sell to some of the wealthiest people in the US. (I know our state is broke but it does not mean all of us are)0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
We (I ) am being called insane ? By Calguns ? What a surprise. Right there in the bastion of evil...California..they use the word 'insane' to describe Americans.
It has been my experience that oftentimes, when one is referred to as insane, a nutjob, or a lunatic, it most likely means he absolutely correct and on the right track.
Example: The good Representative from Texas.
It is also the case of desperation of one's losing an argument -- best defense is to declare your opponent insane. Oh well, we should be more kind to our little less fortunate brothers who were so deprived by the nature. [}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
Good luck with that; if KA (California) fails (totally to protect the 2nd) which state is next? Did you know that D.C. has now taken the approved list for handguns and made it there law?
Nothing happens. CA doesn't protect the Second Amendment, if that is what you truly believe, there isn't any point talking.
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
But you all just live in our own little word and if KA fails to keep RKBA and your next you have a BIG I told you so coming your way.
See above. To everyone else: are you as astounded by this arrogance as I am?0 -
wizzard, what do you think the original patriots would do? I'll give you hint.....
http://www.americanrevolution.com/BattleofLexingtonandConcord.htm
On April 19, 1775, British General Thomas Gage dispatched 700 British troops commanded by Lt. Col. Francis Smith to Concord, Massachusetts, 16 miles northwest of Boston, to seize munitions that the Patriots had been stockpiling.
Did they do it all for nothing?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
Good luck with that; if KA (California) fails (totally to protect the 2nd) which state is next? Did you know that D.C. has now taken the approved list for handguns and made it there law?
Nothing happens. CA doesn't protect the Second Amendment, if that is what you truly believe, there isn't any point talking.
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
But you all just live in our own little word and if KA fails to keep RKBA and your next you have a BIG I told you so coming your way.
See above. To everyone else: are you as astounded by this arrogance as I am?
Arrogance? I just know there are not enough people to take up arms to make a difference but we might get enough people to vote our rights back. Remember this didn't happen overnight and it will not get fixed overnight.
If you are so short sided you can't have a meaningful conversation about the best way to fix the problem then you are as much a part of the problem.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
wizzard, what do you think the original patriots would do? I'll give you hint.....
http://www.americanrevolution.com/BattleofLexingtonandConcord.htm
On April 19, 1775, British General Thomas Gage dispatched 700 British troops commanded by Lt. Col. Francis Smith to Concord, Massachusetts, 16 miles northwest of Boston, to seize munitions that the Patriots had been stockpiling.
Did they do it all for nothing?
no, but at this point things have goten were they are because we have lost that family bond, my dad took me shooing at a very yong age. I had access to guns all my life, no safe gun in every room, if I wanted to go shooting I picked up a gun and walked out the door (at age 10)
now a days guns are to be feared (if you lesson to the news.
I think we need to do something but like I said we need to change the thinking of a lot of people else it will be for not.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
wizzard, what do you think the original patriots would do? I'll give you hint.....
http://www.americanrevolution.com/BattleofLexingtonandConcord.htm
On April 19, 1775, British General Thomas Gage dispatched 700 British troops commanded by Lt. Col. Francis Smith to Concord, Massachusetts, 16 miles northwest of Boston, to seize munitions that the Patriots had been stockpiling.
Did they do it all for nothing?
Just out of curiousity jpwolf, how old are you?
I don't mean that in a snide manner or as an insult I seriously am curious.
I want to know how old you were in 1994 when the AWB was put in place.0 -
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
If you are so short sided you can't have a meaningful conversation about the best way to fix the problem then you are as much a part of the problem.
QED0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by pdq_wizzard
If you are so short sided you can't have a meaningful conversation about the best way to fix the problem then you are as much a part of the problem.
QED
I had a smart a$$ remark all set up for this but I guess I am wasting my time. have fun I am done if you can't do better than that.0 -
I was 24 in '94 kestryll. My awakening as to the true meaning began around the age 30. Heck, they didn't even teach Civics anymore when I came throught the indoctrination system.
I think most of my early life I just thought that rkba just meant we could have guns, and I had guns, so what's the big deal? You know? I bought my first gun (shotgun) at age 14 at the hardware store by myself.
I fell for the "it's for your own safety" crap as one infringement after another was put in place. Never knew anything about '34, '68, '86 and '94 just seemed stupid to me as I could still get what I always believed was the only thing available to us, it just had to have a thumbhole and various other stupid hoops. The gravity of it didn't hit me for many years.
Now I understand the boiling frog tactic and how important it is to put things back the way the founders intended. The govt is supposed to fear us, not the other way around. Case in point:
first bailout package 299/300 correspondances to D.C. expressed opposition to it. What happened? They gave 99.6% of America the one finger wave.0 -
Jp, do you not understand that the question of what have you done to prevent '94 AWB is nothing else but desperation?
See, I would not have a problem with these calgunners IF they came here seeking peace and understanding, but instead they marched in demanding something from everyone else. This is the best of them, imagine what the rest look like?
They are not any part of CA "gun owners" as much as they want to be, they are nothing but loud mouths, that they so quick to label everyone else who don't conform to their ideas (need I go into psychology of this paradox?).
One way or another, I am just warning you, if you can do better that I could -- awesome. Maybe there's even some hope. But, imo, it is a long shot, a very long one.0 -
I understand there is some history there Max. The question was asked civil manner, so it was answered in a civil manner.
I did forget to add that "I was doing my part! I was a dues paying member of the NRA!" The reality of that whole pathetic farce hadn't reached me yet, either.0 -
Understood. Now, then, with the analogy of the "NRA", I can tell you with complete confidence you will see most calguns Internet jockeys (I.j. hereafter) in the same light. Yes, I have very little hopes of reconciliation, nothing or nobody personal, just the collective agenda. As I have said before, there is plenty of people, mostly a little older, a lot wiser and much quieter that understand it all, and are pretty much on the same page as the younger population. Too much to describe, and "in all honesty" no much desire to do it.
Just so there isn't any misunderstanding, I am all up for being civil and having a meaningful discussion or, even, argument, but with a worthy opponent, not a childish, arrogant, narcissistic set of pricks who have very hard time functioning on their own.
PS. the question was asked in a smug manner, imo, consider the context. [}:)]0 -
I can't blame the "good folks" in California for their gun laws...and good folks are out there.
To call them cowards is hypocrisy. Every damned one of us lives under the yolk of unconstitutional law....Crowing about the "freedom" where we live is no better than the "My turd is better than your turd" argument that makes modern politics so noxious.
For those Californians who believe the 2nd Amendment means what it says, I welcome them. For those who would foist tyranny upon us...to hell with them.0
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