Another 4473 Paper Trail Question

Permanently deleted user

January 11, 2009 04:27

I know of a deceased person, a friend's father, who had a pretty vast gun collection, about 300 (mostly handguns, a few rifles and shotguns). Some of the pieces went to his family, but the vast majority went to auction.

Now, how would the paper trail go...the Auction House was out of state, they came and took the guns to be auctioned, and the family took what they wanted w/o any transfers done (which was legal in the state this occoured in).

What would happen here?

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  pickenup

  January 11, 2009 06:44

  I'm not sure I understand your question.
  
  There would be a lot of happy, gun owning, family members.
  Since he is deceased, the "paper trail" ends on those firearms.
  
  The auction house would do a 4473, and background check, on the buyers of those firearms.

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  Permanently deleted user

  January 11, 2009 08:34

  quote:Originally posted by pickenup
  I'm not sure I understand your question.
  
  There would be a lot of happy, gun owning, family members.
  Since he is deceased, the "paper trail" ends on those firearms.
  
  The auction house would do a 4473, and background check, on the buyers of those firearms.
  
  
  I guess what I am getting at is are the firearms inherited from the deceased man now considered paperless?

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  Permanently deleted user

  January 11, 2009 08:39

  quote:Originally posted by PBJloaf
  quote:Originally posted by pickenup
  I'm not sure I understand your question.
  
  There would be a lot of happy, gun owning, family members.
  Since he is deceased, the "paper trail" ends on those firearms.
  
  The auction house would do a 4473, and background check, on the buyers of those firearms.
  
  
  I guess what I am getting at is are the firearms inherited from the deceased man now considered paperless?
  
  Yes, but why the concern if YOU are not going to own them?
  
  Every gun I had bought from a FFL can be considered "paperless". As long as nobody can find them, and I have claimed them "sold", there is NO paper trail.

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  Permanently deleted user

  January 11, 2009 09:43

  quote:Originally posted by freemind
  quote:Originally posted by PBJloaf
  quote:Originally posted by pickenup
  I'm not sure I understand your question.
  
  There would be a lot of happy, gun owning, family members.
  Since he is deceased, the "paper trail" ends on those firearms.
  
  The auction house would do a 4473, and background check, on the buyers of those firearms.
  
  
  I guess what I am getting at is are the firearms inherited from the deceased man now considered paperless?
  
  Yes, but why the concern if YOU are not going to own them?
  
  Every gun I had bought from a FFL can be considered "paperless". As long as nobody can find them, and I have claimed them "sold", there is NO paper trail.
  
  
  Oh, just curious, I guess[;)]

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  11b6r

  January 11, 2009 16:48

  With the exception of states that require a purchase permit, when an estate is sold by the auctioneer, the auctioneer is acting as an agent of the deceased (or the family)- so it is the same as a private sale by an unlicensed individual. If a firearm is CONSIGNED to an auctioneer to sell, he needs a FFL, 4473's etc- but selling at the estate, no, no ffl- he is the agent of the private seller. No paper. Just my personal (limited) experience- firearms at auction generally sell for more than they should. Watched a REALLY crappy SMLE go for $450 at one.

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