Firearm shipment to California
Is it legal for an individual, non FFL holder, to ship a long gun to a California FFL dealer? I've tried to obtain this info from posted California laws but unable to find a straight answer. If anyone knows the correct statute or code it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for ANY help on this! John
Thanks for ANY help on this! John
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Going by a couple peoples statements on here it's the CA gun owner's fault that we have silly gun laws. So who did you guys blame the Clinton assault ban on? Where were all the other gun owners in the other states marching on their Capital and voting out the anti gun politicians and preventing the ban? oh wait they "obeyed without question government edicts, laws, rules, and regulations". I guess the CA media didn't run the stories about all the rebellion and bloodshed in the other states fighting for their right to bear arms. Going by your advice given to us of what we should have done or do now the Clinton ban should never had happened. I guess we will see if all the other states gun owners "put up or shut up" when Obama enacts his worse than CA gun ban. My guess is all will just roll over and "accept it" like you say the CA owners did.
By the way I am not a CA native. I am active duty military stationed in Ca so I am not choosing to live here but I have to follow the law like everybody else. Not being a resident of CA I do not get to vote on issues and the crooks that run CA. I do my part by taking non gun owners to the range and get them into shooting. I have quite a few friends that my shooting buddies and I have converted into gun owning NRA members.
Some of the out of state sellers that refuse CA buyers are just plain silly. I have seen auctions that refuse to ship gun cases, slings, scopes and other harmless firearm related items. Are they afraid if they sell a gun case to a CA resident that they might catch new gun law from the Ca money.
The biggest joke about the sellers that don't sell to CA is that most CA gun owners are willing pay a higher price for a gun that is hard to get but legal in CA. A gun that sells for $500 where you are at probably sells for $700 out here in the shops because the shops know they are hard to get in CA. I know this from experience. When I bought my M&P15 I found them for around $900 out of CA but all said "will not ship to CA". The one I bought in CA was almost $1300 bucks. If I was an out of CA FFL I would love to be getting that kind of profit on the guns I sold to CA residents.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sorensen440
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by johnpar2
Thanks very much for the info! Looks like a non FFL can ship but a FFL holder cannot without going thru the CA registration process???????? Well this makes about as much sense as the rest of the garbage "government" does. No wonder we're going broke! Thanks again
Ya think? Why do you think so many FFL holders are refusing to deal with CA, and you should too, until CA whiny gun owners do something about it, other than whining.
and what the hell do you know about what Californian gun owners are doing ?
maybe you need to look into how many NRA members there are from cali vs whatever state you hail from
If your going to blame us for our gun laws I'm going to personally hold you responsible for Barry O being elected into office.
After having spent 12 years there I know a whole lot more about CA than you do, son. Now, crawl back to calguns and whine.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Blackwater Ops
CA gun owners are not the enemy.
Yup. You sure are. Always been, always will be.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Entirely too bad that you cannot turn that anger, rage, and hate towards those DOING YOU HARM...your politicians.
That is dangerous, tho...isn�t it.
FAR better for your personal safety if you vent your rage towards one that has never done you any harm...except point to the Constitution and attempt to get you to READ the damn thing.
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I had Multiple FFLs in California refuse to accept longarms shipped to them right after the new law of which of course I had no idea of. I asked my local FFLs if they would ship. They said NO they want nothing to do with the DOJ and basically #$#& CALIFORNIA. I no longer sell to California, either they get together and do something about there legistators, or protect themselves with under 3 inch knives. 0 -
And Melkor demonstrates his complete vacuity, too. Folding knives are not limited by length in California.
http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/knifelaw.html
Free your mind.
Oh - trivia question....which Circuit Court is about to hear a 2A case that might lead to incorporation of the Second Amendment? Think hard.
Hint - it's in the city where Highball buys his delicately scented lavender gloves.....0 -
Rockatansky and Highball...The Brady Campaign would like to thank you for your continued support. Only through the hard word of our campaign and individuals such as yourselves will we rid this nation of the scurge of guns and the violence they promote.
With President elect Obama taking office in a just a few short days I call on you to dig deep for both the financial and rhetorical suppport you have shown in years past. If you recall, back in 1994 you were both instrumental in assisting our group pass the Assault Weapons Ban. Thank you again!
As noted in this thread, more guns equal more gun violence and I commend you both for the moral stance you have taken with regard to current and prospective California gun owners. We have put $Millions into California and it would be a terrible loss for us to lose even an inch of ground.
Once again, thank you. Sarah is very proud of you both.
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quote:where are the 30 rd mags, beta mags, and such? is that why you need five instead of one?
also where you able to buy them from your neighbor?
sorry i had to do that, i truly feel sorry for you californians and i know there are good people there that are just stuck in a crappy situation but dont come on here and try to belittle and attack us because we CHOOSE to live in a freer state than you.
And when such laws come to your free state, where will you run next? Or will you stay and fight, like we do? I don't know if you noticed, but crappy Californian laws are usually used as a model by other states and the federal government. So you better support or at least be grateful to the Californians who fight those laws in this godforsaken state before they spread to the rest of the country, so that you don't have to.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Isn't this all rather...amusing.
Here we are overwhelmed with California natives...explaining how none of this is any of their fault at all. You all just didn't see it coming...did you.
The steady increase in the perverted status of your little country just blinded everybody to the ugly face that was growing in Sacramento..and now `suddenly' the gun laws are becoming unbearable.
NOT of course, because they are UNBEARABLE...merely because the dealers in the Free States have refused to sell to you. THAT is a SIN ..beyond your comprehension.
I commend every dealer out there that has refused to sell you a gun. At least...you have gotten off your DEAD ASS and at LEAST started to complain about...no, NOT about the LAWS..but about free people that refuse to OBEY those laws.
Perhaps you will find the courage to actually turn that anger towards those that are CAUSING your pain...the rotten scum that lives across the street from you...and the legislators that they elect.
You mean to say, the laws became unbearable when the hippies and other nnuts from the entire country got attracted to the Californian weather and moved here, all the while screwing up what used to be a decent state? It's sad to see that History is taught the same in the rest of the country as it's taught in California - not at all. As someone pointed out before, us first, but you'll be next. Until then, enjoy your self-anointed exalted status as a supreme human being who would never, ever let such things happen on his watch...0 -
quote:Originally posted by melkor
I had Multiple FFLs in California refuse to accept longarms shipped to them right after the new law of which of course I had no idea of. I asked my local FFLs if they would ship. They said NO they want nothing to do with the DOJ and basically #$#& CALIFORNIA. I no longer sell to California, either they get together and do something about there legistators, or protect themselves with under 3 inch knives.
Congratulations, you like many other out of CA FFLs fell for the CA DOJ plan of keeping legal guns out of California. That is the only reason they made that new FFL law in July. Because they knew out of state FFLs would cave instead of going through one more step to transfer a firearm. All the new law does is verify that the CA FFL you want to ship to is a valid FFL. If the check says not valid you get a "do not ship" letter. If good you get an "ok to ship letter" How hard is that? Even though they knew that the feds already have an online FFL check the DOJ knew the out of state FFLs would whine about one more hoop to jump through.
The CA DOJ has been busted a few times by the Calguns Foundation trying to enforce backdoor illegal regulations and using scare tactics on adjoining states FLLs that had no legal standings. You can even compare the CA Penal codes to what the DOJ has posted on their website and find where the DOJ made their own interruption of the penal code.
You guys might as well join the Brady Campaign if you keep your current attitude toward CA because you are only helping their cause. They want to divide the gun owners so they can take us down. We should be helping each other instead of saying @$#@ you to each other.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
After having spent 12 years there I know a whole lot more about CA than you do, son.
You do realize just how "brilliant" this statement is, don't you?0 -
Just to be clear, FFL stupidity is not limited to California by any means. I hear stories all the time of FFLs in other states who require all guns be shipped from another FFL. I find this the most idiotic thing ever as there is absolutely no law that requires this.
I just don't blame the people of the state these dealers are in for their stupidity. I blame the dealers themselves.
I am going to keep fighting and doing something about what we have going on out here and hopefully we can make a difference nationwide too. Obviously some of the ignorant from other states will ride our coattails, but I am used to that. You just can't change stupid.0 -
quote:They want to divide the gun owners so they can take us down. We should be helping each other instead of saying @$#@ you to each other.
Out of the totality of the mess of garbage spewed out of calguns/ california, these are the only words that make any sense.
I fully agree.
Let us join together to vow resistance to tyranny, in ANY form. Effective resistance, not the letter writing campaigns that you `boys' severely administer to your legislators.
Stop fighting the soft war.
There are enough weapons in this country today to do whatever needs to be done. There merely is the lack of will to do what is right.
Stop fighting the politicians, and allow the draconian laws that are coming.
Either we decode we are men, at that time..or we stop pretending that we 'live in a free country'.
I will not help you to slow the pace of the gun bans that are on the horizon.
The cowards and fools will call that `aiding the Brady's'.
The courageous will understand that it reaches a point there no longer is a possibility of righting the ship by obeying the captains' orders to run over to the lowside rail.
We have reached that point.
You `boys' can scream and rage at Free Americans all you wish ..it changes nothing.
You can DEMAND, at the top of your lungs, that EVERYBODY stampede over to the low-side railing...just because you are there.
Some of us will not help you, in your madness of excitement to obey.
As noted before..it is MUCH safer to rage and hate an individual pointing to and defending the Constitution then the one taking that Constitution and running it up your az...isn't it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:They want to divide the gun owners so they can take us down. We should be helping each other instead of saying @$#@ you to each other.
Out of the totality of the mess of garbage spewed out of calguns/ california, these are the only words that make any sense.
I fully agree.
Let us join together to vow resistance to tyranny, in ANY form. Effective resistance, not the letter writing campaigns that you `boys' severely administer to your legislators.
Stop fighting the soft war.
There are enough weapons in this country today to do whatever needs to be done. There merely is the lack of will to do what is right.
Stop fighting the politicians, and allow the draconian laws that are coming.
Either we decode we are men, at that time..or we stop pretending that we 'live in a free country'.
I will not help you to slow the pace of the gun bans that are on the horizon.
The cowards and fools will call that `aiding the Brady's'.
The courageous will understand that it reaches a point there no longer is a possibility of righting the ship by obeying the captains' orders to run over to the lowside rail.
We have reached that point.
You `boys' can scream and rage at Free Americans all you wish ..it changes nothing.
You can DEMAND, at the top of your lungs, that EVERYBODY stampede over to the low-side railing...just because you are there.
Some of us will not help you, in your madness of excitement to obey.
As noted before..it is MUCH safer to rage and hate an individual pointing to and defending the Constitution then the one taking that Constitution and running it up your az...isn't it.
So what are they not showing us in the news out here. I had no idea "Patriots" such as yourself were actually in arms with the US Goverment.
So you won't help on the front now, because well your in acquisitions, but when it gets close enough, then you'll pick up your rifle.
It's a shame you don't realize that the worst thing you can do to yourself is to shun our efforts out here, because soon our problems could very well be yours.0 -
If a FFL is willing to accept a shipped firearm and transfer it to a private party in California from out of state, why would any seller refuse to sell it to California buyers? That in itself sounds downright UNAMERICAN! It sounds like there's a lot of toothless backwoods hicks out there that don't know how to run a business, and make money. If a California FFL will accept it, what is your problem? Your problem is ignorance. Get educated, so you know what you're doing. 0
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