Which Gun Should I Buy??
Ever study something so long that you just get confused? That's me. I want to buy a very accurate factory rifle that is competitive in F Class and benchrest competition out to 600-yards. I want it in .308 Win and I want it to be NIB or nearly so. I recently passed up a near new Remington Model 700 VSSF in .308 for $800 without realizing that in that caliber, they are nearly impossible to find (My Bad!). I am also interested in the Remington Model 700 Sendero, but it is not made in .308 Win and I don't want to step up to .300 RSAUM. I have see some threads that suggest that the quality of some Remington products may have diminished and some readers suggest the TIKKA T3. I am not personally familiar with the TIKKA, but I know that one essential in an F Class/benchrest/varmint rifle is the ability to remain accurate in a multi-shot environment that can heat the barrel. I realize there is nothikng sacred about .308 Win at 600-yards and that other calibers will get the job done. However, I already load for two other .308s and I would like to have the capability to reach out to 1000-yards. This pretty much limits my choice to at least a 26 inch barrel to retain velocity at that range. Having said this, I am interested in reader views for or against Remington or TIKKA, and any other relevant considerations. Many thanks...
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Savageman,
take a look at these http://www.savagearms.com/12FTR.htm
They are availible in 308 and another model is availible in 6.5-284.
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I was just going to toss that out as well. Someone mentioned it on the experts forum a few days ago. I can't find the thread right now.
There is a new on on the auction side as well.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=1182726160 -
quote:Originally posted by csjs1194
Savageman,
take a look at these http://www.savagearms.com/12FTR.htm
They are availible in 308 and another model is availible in 6.5-284.
Hope this helps
That rifle, out of the box (6.5-284) has all ready won a few matches.0 -
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Savageman,
Here is a Remington that will meet your requirements:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS_varmint.asp
First of all, you state:
"I want to buy a very accurate factory rifle that is competitive in F Class and benchrest competition out to 600-yards. I want it in .308 Win and I want it to be NIB or nearly so."
It depends on which class you choose to shoot. One class is only .308 and .223 while the other class is open as long as the you don't exceed 35 caliber.
http://f-classinfo.com/index.html
'Factory' and 'competitive' never go hand-in-hand, except for now. That's because no one has put the effort and the dollars into solving the problems and the pricing.
Savage has their model that will be both factory and competitive AND at a reasonable price. That's really the only choice currently. While you may think that 26" will work, you're missing a little practical information. Shooting a .308 Win. to 600 yards is fine but stretching it out to 1,000 yards can result in the bullet dropping into the transonic range (loss of accuracy). Most of us that use the .308 Win. have longer barrels that usually start at 30" and again, the only factory player is Savage.
Another factor to consider for any game shot from the prone position is recoil. There is nothing wrong with the .308 Win. but after a day of continuous shooting in competition, you might be worn out. Many F-Class shooters are competing with the smaller cartridges such as the 6mmBR and all of its variants or something like the 6-6.5 Lapua, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6XC or any one of a number of smaller capacity cases with a high degree of potential accuracy. These cartridges are also being used at the 1,000 yard line.
I shoot .308 Win. but with a 30" barrel at 1,000 yards. I prefer to use my own cartridge for F-Class F/O which is similar to the 6mm International. I also use a couple of different 6.5mm cartridges and I can recommend something along the lines of the 6.5x55 or the 6.5 Creedmoor, both available from the factory as loaded ammunition.
The Savage is an easy transition into a switch barrel system so you can buy the complete rifle and then buy another barrel which can be interchanged with the first barrel.
There is too much to cover here so look into some of the options and post again with some of your thoughts.
Best.0 -
A gun nut friend told me to buy a new CZ with a bull barrel. There is another point to concider though. Resident frequency will need to be adjusted by either crowning the muzzle or matching the bullet and powder load to achieve the tightest groups. Choosing the right gun is only half the battle. Please don't give up on the gun that you get until you have tried every brand of cartridge in your new toy.
The Browning boss rifle had solved the frequency problem by adding an adjustable muzzle break that could be tuned to several brands of cartridges. Please let us know how it turns out.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nononsense
Savageman,
Here is a Remington that will meet your requirements:
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_700/model_700_SPS_varmint.asp
First of all, you state:
"I want to buy a very accurate factory rifle that is competitive in F Class and benchrest competition out to 600-yards. I want it in .308 Win and I want it to be NIB or nearly so."
It depends on which class you choose to shoot. One class is only .308 and .223 while the other class is open as long as the you don't exceed 35 caliber.
http://f-classinfo.com/index.html
'Factory' and 'competitive' never go hand-in-hand, except for now. That's because no one has put the effort and the dollars into solving the problems and the pricing.
Savage has their model that will be both factory and competitive AND at a reasonable price. That's really the only choice currently. While you may think that 26" will work, you're missing a little practical information. Shooting a .308 Win. to 600 yards is fine but stretching it out to 1,000 yards can result in the bullet dropping into the transonic range (loss of accuracy). Most of us that use the .308 Win. have longer barrels that usually start at 30" and again, the only factory player is Savage.
Another factor to consider for any game shot from the prone position is recoil. There is nothing wrong with the .308 Win. but after a day of continuous shooting in competition, you might be worn out. Many F-Class shooters are competing with the smaller cartridges such as the 6mmBR and all of its variants or something like the 6-6.5 Lapua, 6.5 Creedmoor, 6XC or any one of a number of smaller capacity cases with a high degree of potential accuracy. These cartridges are also being used at the 1,000 yard line.
I shoot .308 Win. but with a 30" barrel at 1,000 yards. I prefer to use my own cartridge for F-Class F/O which is similar to the 6mm International. I also use a couple of different 6.5mm cartridges and I can recommend something along the lines of the 6.5x55 or the 6.5 Creedmoor, both available from the factory as loaded ammunition.
The Savage is an easy transition into a switch barrel system so you can buy the complete rifle and then buy another barrel which can be interchanged with the first barrel.
There is too much to cover here so look into some of the options and post again with some of your thoughts.
Best.
Good post NN![^]0
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