Remington Model 700 muzzleloader
Does the #209 primer conversion kit allow you to shoot 3 pyrodex pellets?
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I don't beleive the gun is originally intended for 150grs. The conversion has nothing to do with the pellets it will fire. If it was safe for 150grs before, then it still is. I use 100grs in mine and it is very accurate. I am 1" or less at 100yds. I have found that accuracy will suffer in many of the best muzzleloaders when the 150gr load is used. It will only stabilize the heavy bullets. If you are using 250-260gr bullets, stay with 100grs of pyrodex. The effectiveness is still 150yds or better. My partner dropped one at 195 honest yards with the Barnes red hot 250gr bullet over 100grs of pyrodex. To get back on topic, if the owners manual doesn't say 150grs, don't do it!!! you run the risk of overpressurizing the action which will eventually break something that may not be covered. I can't find my manual so I can't give you a definitive yes or no, hope this helps. 0 -
JustCThanks for the info. I've been out of the sport for a few years now and I'm going to start back up next year because my hunting partner is getting one. Sounds like I should stick with 100 grs. Do you use the stock primer system or would you recommend switching to the shot gun primer system? 0 -
DO YOURSELF A FAVOR and switch it over. I have had 3 mis-fires in the past 2 seasons. One was a 30yd shot at a big boy that went an estimated 175lbs!!!! He just walked away. The stock springs on this gun were not strong enough originally, I am not sure if they have upgraded them yet. I know that people who were calling about it got new springs at no charge, but I went for the conversion. Hotter fire and the way the breech plug is desinged holds it out farther toward the firihg pin. This ensures ignition. I tried the 300gr red hots and one of them hit the target sideways!!!!! The 250gr red hot (that is advertised by Knight, but it is made by barnes) is absolutely wicked. The barnes package calls it something different, can't recall, but you will see a picture on the front of the hollow point opened up. They are solid copper slugs with a hollowpoint so deep, it looks like a flying cup. But boy do they work. Hope this helps. P.S. I have put the 700 up against the knight disc rifle and the Thompson Center Encore, and they will not outshoot it. Good choice!! 0 -
I am coming at this from a bit of an angle. I shoot the TC Black Diamond which is rated for 150 grains. I would endorse the 209 conversion, that is what I use in the Diamond and it works well. The 209's put out a lot of fire to ignite those pellets. JustC is right on with the accuracy problems at 150 grains. I am also shooting about 1moa at 100 yrd, and it drops to about 4-5moa with three pellets. It may be me, but it will be me during the hunt, so I won't risk it. It also recoils like a centerfire with 150 grains. 100 grains is plenty for the best combination of accuracy and power. 0 -
JustC,Thanks for the info, I checked out those red hots on knightrifles.com and they do look wicked, I'll give them a try. I been bowhunting for about 6 years now and I've taken 2 bucks with my bow, but the big boys always seem to evade my arrow, you know how that works I'm sure, so now it's time to bring out the 700 and bag a wall hanger. My hunting partner is buying a knight rifle so I hope you're right about the 700 outshoting it, we'll see. thanks. 0 -
Here is what I have found with ALL KNIGHT muzzelloaders. First, let me say they are accurate, and well made. That being said, here is the caveat, knight cuts it's rifling deeper than the other companies. By this I mean the grooves are deeper. When you get to about the 5th or 6th shot, a tight spot has formed in the grooves from unburned powder and residue. This tight spot throws off the center of gravity of the bullet when it passes through, and therefore destabilizes the projectile. At this point, they will start to sling the bullets. Most people don't shoot a muzzleloader that many times, but when I am on the bag, I want the most shooting with the least cleaning and problems. This allows me to sight in more confidently and with less "wasted" shots. I am not saying they are not great products, I am saying that I prefer the 700Rem. 0 -
Oh yeah, let me know how the redhots group. I have a feeling yours will like them too. 0 -
Knight... nuff said....BT 0 -
Hey Guys, I am new to muzzle Loaders. I picked up a Model 700ML and I just ordered the conversion kit to 209 from the No.11. One thing I want to do is get a thumbhole wood stock for my 700ML. Does anyone know of a good place to get a thumbhole stock for my model 700ml? I did find one for a non muzzle loader 700 but they did not list it as fitting a muzzle loader. Any Ideas.
Also the whole reason I want a thumb hole stock is just a personal feel of the gun.
Another thing is there a law restricting the use of a thumb hole stock in California on a muzzle loader. I love it that we don't have to go through the DOJ to get a muzzle loader.
You know why, most criminals are not smart enough to load a muzzle loader. When was the last time you saw a bank robber with a Black powder gun ha ha.0 -
Bonecrusher---Just a heads-up. Make sure that the 209 primer is legal where you hunt. It isn't in Oregon. Shoot a big-un. HAWKSHAW 0 -
The absolute best thing you could do is sell it, and get a Thompson Center either an Omega, Encore, or Triumph. The next best thing is not to torment yourself trying to use 3 pellets of 50 grain. IMHO that you are just tossing the extra powder out after the first 100 grains. Using 100 grains and a Powerbelt 245 areo tip or 270 platinum will do anything you want to out to 200 yards.
I also have an Encore Super 45, and use 100 grains in that too, with a 195 grain Areo tip or 223 platinum...extremely flat.
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