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Rifle being held beacuse of FFL

gap1916
A local gun shop is holding a rifle because the shipping FFL dealer did not enclose his own FFL. The local FFL was in closed with the rifle for shipment. The Local dealer is saying that it is federal law that a copy of the sending ffl be with the rifle. What is the law. I am not in Kalifornia.
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  • AntiqueDr
    That is not Federal law. Period. Only the recipient needs to be licensed, not necessarily the sender.Ask that slobbering moron if he has ever bought factory direct from someplace like Browning or Weatherby. Or, if he is too small-fry for that, ask him to show you the FFL copies of the distributors he deals with. Bet he can't.If he still doesn't believe you, ask to use HIS phone and call your local BATF office, right there in front of him. I have yet to understand why people purport to be in the business if they do not know the law governing this business.
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  • gap1916
    Thank you for the replys. This is what I thought.
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  • leeblackman
    I would actually call the local police department, that is your firearm, the dealer was just involved in the transfer. Sounds like theft to me...Call local police and report theft, that will settle it real quick like...
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  • 218Beekeep
    My dealer just signs a copy of his FFL,hands it over for me to to send with my payment.Gun comes back with an invoice. He charged me $25.00 the 1st time,and has done it for free ever since,he didn`t even charge me for the background check,the last time.Guess he figures I`m a good customer since I buy about 20 guns a year from his shop.I should open a shop and be my own best customer.Find a dealer and make friends with him!!
    Will the last reb to leave flarda,please bring the flag?
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  • gap1916
    I just picked up the rifle. It works just fine. Thank you for the replys and assistance.
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  • byron2112
    How'd you get it back?
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  • JudgeColt
    Just a point of interest. Disputes over ownership are ordinarily not theft. The local police department would likely tell you it is a civil matter and to please not bother them with such matters. Glad you got your rifle. Like the Doctor, I am amazed at all the misinformation floating around. However, I do like to have a copy of the license of anyone shipping through my license to a buyer in a separate transaction, but I do not require it and would not hold up delivery if there were no license included with the firearm.
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  • The Gun Doctor
    Ya'll had it easy.About a year ago or so I bought a gun thru the auction site and went to a near by gun shop for the transfer. I had to mail off his FFL, then when the seller shipped the gun it was shipped to the wrong address. Not the sellers fault but the fault of the gun shop as it was there old address on the FFL. Then when the gun shop owner finally picked up the gun(a week later) he wanted to hold it for three days to be sure there were no problems with the seller. Needless to say that was the last time I used him or refered someone to him.
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  • sck
    Dear Folks: I'm not exactly sure why some dealers insist that getting a copy of the sender's FFL, but I know that many of the older dealers do. I have a suspicion as to why this happens and it may help you in explaining it to the fellow if they aren't willing to accept the point made above about not having an FFL from distributors and manufacturers. It seems that years ago when you got an FFL, the feds gave you a copy of an acceptable Acquisition/Disposition Logbook. At the head of the column for Acquisition it said something like "Name & Address" but also said something about "FFL number". From this many folks seem to have assumed that if it came from a dealer, an FFL number was required. In any event, I was working for a large retailer several years ago and when ATF showed up to audit the books, they said that we had to have an FFL number for all of our Acquisitions. Since this company only bought from wholesalers and manufacturers, if his interpretation was correct we'd have to put down FFL numbers on thousands and thousands of lines in our log books going back over the course of several years. Well, we asked for another opinion on that and, sure enough, the word came back that you had to have an address "OR" and FFL number for every line in your A&D log. Since we already had done that when each item arrived, there was no problem. Sorry to carry on so long, but thought this might be helpful to someone. Regards -- Steve
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