C&R sellers?
Does anyone have any recommended places to use a C&R license? I have had one for awhile and haven't used it. Where can I find sellers? Also when making a purchase on GB can you sign a copy of your FFL, scan it, and email it to a seller or does it have to be mailed?
Thanks for your time.
*In 1909 Henry Ford created the Model T and it got around 30mpg..today's Ford's may be safer and more luxurious but in 100 years we've not really gotten further on a gallon of gasoline have we?*
Thanks for your time.
*In 1909 Henry Ford created the Model T and it got around 30mpg..today's Ford's may be safer and more luxurious but in 100 years we've not really gotten further on a gallon of gasoline have we?*
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There is a C&R section on Gunbroker; just review it to see what you are interested in. If you think a gun is C&R eligible, just EMail the seller and ask (or check the BATF list of guns).
When sending your license, make a copy of it, sign it in either blue or red ink, and MAIL it to the seller. No EMail/fax copies would be accepted by any of the sellers I've dealt with.
My bound book is rapidly filling up with entries, so those C&R eligible guns are out there. Good luck.
It's not what you know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just ain't so!
Resident Pyrrhonist0 -
Shotgun News and the Gun List have several large advertisers that mark specific guns as "C&R".
You also need to browse the C&R list on the ATF website to determine for yourself which guns are eligible. Any WWII or earlier military gun in "as issued" condition is a C&R. Any non-military gun > 50 years old is eligible, even if it is not listed by ATF. Certain modern guns, such as the Russian SKS, CZ50/70, Makarov in 9mm Makarov, are considered C&R, although there seems to be no logical reason for it.
You also need to understand state law in your own state, since that takes precedence over your C&R. For example, some states require that all handguns pass through an FFL; in that case, you can't have a C&R handgun shipped directly to you. Shippers are required by federal law to follow the state law in the buyers state.
And, one correction: you have a "collectors license", you do not have an FFL.
Neal0 -
quote:And, one correction: you have a "collectors license", you do not have an FFL.
It most certainly is an FFL. To be precise, it is a Type 03 FFL.0 -
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For example, some states require that all handguns pass through an FFL; in that case, you can't have a
NealYou also need to understand state law in your own state, since that takes precedence over your C&R. For example, some states require that all handguns pass through an FFL; in that case, you can't have a C&R handgun shipped directly to you. Shippers are required by federal law to follow the state law in the buyers state.
Federal Law takes precedence over state Law and a Curio/Relic FFL is good in any state.0 -
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For example, some states require that all handguns pass through an FFL; in that case, you can't have a
NealYou also need to understand state law in your own state, since that takes precedence over your C&R. For example, some
states require that all handguns pass through an FFL; in that case, you can't have a C&R handgun shipped directly to you. Shippers
are required by federal law to follow the state law in the buyers state.
Federal Law takes precedence over state Law and a Curio/Relic FFL is good in any state.
I afraid you are under a misconception here. State law takes precedence. One provision in Federal law that covers issuance of an FFL is that you will comply with all state and local laws
Edited by - EOD Guy on 12/13/2002 12:51:070 -
"For example, some states require that all handguns pass through an FFL; in that case, you can't have a C&R handgun shipped directly to you. "
I would have to disagree with this post. A C&R is a FFL as stated in another post. This sounds like the kind of post you would here from someone with a dealer's FFL, and their wanting commission. Here we go fighting amongst ourselves when we shouldn't be. If someone finds the reg or law that states otherwise please post it.
*In 1909 Henry Ford created the Model T and it got around 30mpg..today's Ford's may be safer and more luxurious but in 100 years we've not really gotten further on a gallon of gasoline have we?*0 -
The real answers can be found here--> http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/index.htm 0 -
Check these two sites out for more information on C&R
http://www.goldenloki.com/misc/crffl.htm
http://www.milsurpshooter.net/
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Guns don't have fingerprints; they have signatures that can be changed in a moment.0 -
OK fellas, if I have to give a training session, the least you can do is take notes so that I don't have to dig out my regulations every time these questions come up.
First, on the subject of whether interstate transfer of firearms is superceded by state law, I refer you to the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide (ATF P5300.4) page 9, under GCA68, Title I, Sect 922 (b) (2): "Unlawful acts - It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, dealer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver - any firearm to any person in any State where the purchase or possession of such firearm would be in violation of any State law or any published ordinance applicable at the place of sale, delivery or other disposition, unless the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe that the purchase or possession would not be in violation of such State law or such published ordinance."
As for whether or not a C&R is a "Federal Firearms License", your confusion is understandable. Prior to 1992, ATF DID use the same form for all licensees, including collectors. However, all current forms are worded "Type of license: COLLECTOR OF CURIOS AND RELICS"; it doesn't say Federal Firearms License, because it isn't. The only Federal Firearms Licensees are manufacturers, importers, and dealers (see ATF P5300.4 page 19 and 53). The type of license issued to a collector is defined on page 19, Section 923 (b): "Any person desiring to be licensed as a collector shall file an application for such license with the Secretary." Nothing is said about it being a "Federal Firearms License".
I agree that a lot of laws don't make sense, but it's important for all of us to know the laws and comply with them, or we risk losing those rights which we still have.
Neal0 -
" Nothing is said about it being a "Federal Firearms License".
Well ok, but on the license you get from the ATF it says right below ATF F8A...Dear Licensess:
Enclosed is your Federal Firearms license...etc....I think alot of dealers hate this license from the look of things here.
*In 1909 Henry Ford created the Model T and it got around 30mpg..today's Ford's may be safer and more luxurious but in 100 years we've not really gotten further on a gallon of gasoline have we?*0 -
Snake Eyes I don't think their are ill feelings towards C&R holders. I myself had such a lic. for many years and in 1985 got an ffl and opened a small shop that I still run. I do recall at that time the lic. was on blue paper but was classified as an ffl.I think many ffl's will take the road of caution in their dealings rather then taking the chance of risking an error as seen in the eyes of the BATF.
My 2 cents.
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