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Remington 81 Woodsmaster action

bjarnold
I have a Remington model 81 Woodsmaster .300 Savage semi-auto rifle that when fired the action does not blow back. Is this a common problem?. Is this the way earlier semi-auto's work?


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Bill Martin
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  • JudgeColt
    I do not understand your question.

    The Model 81 is not a "blow-back" action. Is the rifle working or not when fired? If the rifle is working, it is not a common problem that it does not "blow back," because it is not supposed to.

    Some early semi-autos are blow-back actions (rimfires are usually blow-back), while others have different types of mechanisms.

    If the rifle is malfunctioning, that is not "the way earlier semi-auto's work." Even the earliest semi-autos are designed to work, and should work if not malfunctioning.

    Just what do you mean?
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  • bjarnold
    I put a cartrige in the magazine then close the action pull the trigger and manually pull the action back to eject the casing and load another cartrige
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    IT PROBABLY NEEDS A GOOD CLEANING, THE M-8/81'SW ARE RECOIL OPERATED (LIKE THE BROWNING A-5) TAKE IT TO A GOOD GUNSMITH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FOR THE INEXPERIENCED. IT TAKE SPECIAL TOOLS TO TAKE APART AND REASSEMBLE.
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  • bjarnold
    I sprayed some Remington Bright Bore down in the chamber and some Remington Dry Lube then I tried shooting it and the bolt still does not open when fired.
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  • JudgeColt
    A semi-auto that will not automatically eject and reload the next round is clearly not working properly, and it is NOT the way earlier semi-autos are supposed to work. (They would not be semi-autos, but rather would be manually-operated repeaters.) The problem will not be in the chamber, but rather between the barrel and barrel cover, where the springs ride. Lubricating anything outside the barrel cover, such as the chamber, will have no effect.

    I suspect something is either rusted or gummed up inside the barrel cover, most likely the buffer spring or spring case, or a combination of the two. While the gun is a little tricky to take apart because of the spring tension inside the barrel cover, it is not so strong as to be impossible to control, and does not require special tools.

    Absent the proper barrel nut spanner, just take a punch that will fit the barrel nut hole tightly and tap at the side of the punch as it is in the hole, being careful not to hit the nut or barrel cover and making dents. Once the barrel nut is loosened, unscrew it and then take a flat piece of metal that will fit the spring retainer nut notrches on each side of the nut and unscrew it. That is where the tension is, so be careful. Once you get to that point, the problem may become apparent as the barrel, springs and buffer are removed. Look for a gummy barrel surface or buffer inside or spring case inside diameters. Gum or rust at these points will cause the barrel not to properly recoil and therefore it will not be able to power the ejection and reloading operations.

    Tell us what you find when you disassemble the rifle.
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  • bjarnold
    Myself and a gunsmith disassmbled the barrel and there was 1 large spring,1 spacer, and 1 small brass spring. I cleaned the parts and oiled them and reassembled the rifle but now the inner barrel is stiff. Before it could be pushed down by hand.


    BILL
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  • JudgeColt
    Sounds like something was reassembled improperly. I do not have an exploded view of one of these rifles handy as I write so cannot speculate what it might be, but you did not mention the spring cup, which my faulty memory says should be present. The barrel and bolt have to recoil together, and since you no longer can push down on the barrel, perhaps there is something jammed there, or improperly assembled. At home, I have a book of exploded views and I suggest you get one (I think it is a Digest Book) and see that the sequence of springs and spacers, etc. is correct. Without checking, perhaps Gun Parts may have an exploded view on its web site.
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  • bjarnold
    Judgecolt,

    Is there anywhere online where I can get a diagram that shows the barrel?
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  • jesseejames
    you can get a diagram of the model 8 and 81 at
    http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/rem_81.jpg
    if that will help you
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  • bjarnold
    I took the gun apart and found that the inner barrel was catching on the spring so the barrel was stuck. I took it out and fired it and it still does not eject the casings and the barrel does not push the bolt back far enough to load another cartrige. Could the rifle be worn out[?]
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