Browning Recoil or Gas?
I overheard a conversation recently concerning Browning shotguns and the difference between recoil guns and gas guns. I thought all Browning autos were gas operated. They also talked about lightweights.
What model numbers are recoil? The more I ask, the more I learn!!!!
Tideman
"Don't shoot to stop 'em, Shoot to Destroy 'em!"
What model numbers are recoil? The more I ask, the more I learn!!!!
Tideman
"Don't shoot to stop 'em, Shoot to Destroy 'em!"
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tideman, the old A-5's and the double automatic were recoil operated. I think all of the later guns are gas operated.
OleDuk0 -
Do the recoil guns give you more of a kick than the gas operated??? Is there a noticible difference?
Edited by - villamaster on 12/07/2002 07:26:300 -
The answer to your question is... YES! A-5's are probably the premier auto shotgun in the world and they're recoil operated. Other designs are gas operated and differ outwardly from the A-5 by not having the squared off receiver and sliding barrel assembly. Internally you'll always find ports about half way down the tube in a gas operated gun... That and no evidence of the spring and bushing arrangement of the A-5 and its clones.
Recoil... An interesting subject.
For a given load the energy produced is exactly the same. Since that energy is directed by a gun, it flows (in theory) in two directions of equal proportion. Thus, we can safely state that the total recoil of a light single compared to a double or an auto is exactly the same.
But... If you were to attach a heavy lead weight to a light single, there would be less felt recoil as it takes energy to put weight in motion. Now a severe kick would feel more like a push since that total energy must be absorbed by your shoulder and it will take time to slow the momentum of the increased weight.
Fire the same load in an auto and a portion of the "kick" is used as energy to do work. Whether you drive back a bolt by gas or recoil, it amounts to a transfer of energy with mechanical motion and a bit of heat resulting as a byproduct.
On the face of it, it would seem that the recoil of an auto would be less by whatever energy was used to cycle the mechanism, but that's not exactly the case. "Transfer" is the magic word here. Energy is transferred to a spring in back of the bolt (and barrel in a A-5) and is returned to the shooter as recoil as the load cycle completes. In effect all that happens is a delay period for energy to be expended, much like adding the weight to a single. The only real difference is the transfer of energy into heat by mechanical loss, and that's only a minute portion of the total.
One more note: Compared to a solid breech gun, the auto will be ever so slightly less efficient by whatever portion of the total load is used to cycle the gun. That's the real difference in total recoil and it isn't considered significant.
Nord0 -
Some Bennelli's are also recoil operated, the Super Black Eagle comes to mind. Also the recoil operated guns are supposed to be slightly faster action than gas, and will handle a wider varity of loads than gas.
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Many things effect the felt or preceived recoil. It could be the way the stock fits, the drop or other configuration of the stock, back boring or porting of the barrel(s), weight of the gun, over barrel vs. under barrel, reloaders say slower burning powders produce less felt recoil due to the pressure building slower, just to name a few. I do not usually feel recoil, unless I miss! 0 -
A-5's - best semi-auto ever!
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A-500R (not G)
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