Mosin Nagant Accuracy..??
How accurate are the mosin nagant 91/30 rifles currently for sale at around 150-200 dollars?? are they worth the money and are they dependable guns? also, what kinds of mounts for optics do they use and are all mosin mounts offset to the left? thanks in advance
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I have 2 of these 1 I am sporterizing and the other is a type 53 jap, the jap is a very short rifle, it will hit the 12 inch steel plate 9 times out of 10 at 300 yrds with iron sights. Last year I shot a 5 shot group that was 6 inches this was with remanufactured ammo. 0 -
If you get one with a nice bore they are quite accurate, especially with handloads or the sniper surplus ammo. Decent with other surplus in my opinion. If you get a Finn rifle it will probably be a tad more accurate.
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I agree with Jonk's posting, and would add that $200 is definately too much to pay. The current dealer price on these rifles in pristine condition is $100-$110, so $150 would be a reasonable mark-up; and for that price you should hold out for a near-new rifle. Yes, the standard scope mount is on the left side of the rifle, even on the bent-bolt sniper version (expect to pay much more for that variation). If you want the scope mounted directly over the bore there are two options: (1)The Advanced Technologies kit which involves cutting off your original bolt handle, and attaching a bent handle which they supply. This requires drilling and tapping a hole in the stub of the original handle for a machine bolt which holds the new handle to the stub. The receiver must then be drilled and tapped, on the receiver ring only, with two screw holes to hold the scope mount. (2) Remove the rear sight and attach a mount for a long eye relief scope for a "scout-type" arrangement. These rifles have never been favored as sporters because their magazine hangs down beneath the receiver right at the balance point where a hunter carries it, and the bolt operation is stiff and jerky. For fun shooting, as is, they are hard to beat. If you've got $200 to spend buy a Mauser. 0 -
Thanks for all the info guys. Der Gebirgsjager: you said get a Mauser if im spending 200 dollars, i dont know much about them so what model/style would you reccomend and could you give me any sources so i can compare the mosin and the mauser? thanks again 0 -
Now if you are in the market for a mauser that is a whole 'nother ballgame. It kind of depends what you want it for.
If you are set on getting a scope, a Turk, Yugo, or Czech Mauser would be the way to go as they aren't terribly collectible and drilling/tapping wouldn't be too much of a crime. All can be had for less than $150 after dealer mark up, with the Turk the cheapest. I'd go for the Yugo as it is likely to be in excellant to new condition, while the others are likeley to have worn finishes and bores. The Yugo also has a bent bolt so manipulation is a bit faster and easier.
However, for your $200 if you really want something NICE I would go with a Swedish Mauser in 6.5X55. They run $175 to $225 and on up for some of the more unusual ones, but for your use a nice M96, M96/38 or M38 would be hard to beat and in your price range. They are phenomenally accurate, show an unreal quality of finish, silky smooth, and in my opinion, the best bolt action gun of any nation that you are likely to encounter. I'd hate to see you drill and tap one to put on a scope, but if it is your gun it would be your business.
Still if your heart is set on a Mosin Nagant I would vote for one of the M44 carbines as most are in excellant shape as is, or one of the Finnish guns.
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I have 2 different 91-30's. Be aware the bores may be different diameters so accuracy may be poor until you find out what ammo they like. I have one with a dark but not pitted bore that slugged .308 which is nice for a reloading standpoint and shoots win 147 fmjs over varget into 1.5" at 100 with open sights. The other measures .312 mirror bore shoots 180 gr rem made for .303 brit into 2" at 100 on varget. The Sellier & Bellot ammo for $8 is a good source of brass and is reasonably accurate in either rifle about 3" at 100. in the tighter bore rifle get some pressure signs sometimes, tight bolt- split case necks-etc. Paid $90 each for rifles. Both have nice wood and about 95% bluing. the only Nagants worth $200 are the remingtons, westinghouses or a Finn. Try them without the optics, the long sight radius on these rifles will amaze people who have not shot a lot of iron sights with their accuracy. if you want a scope, put it on a mauser. Local guy is selling ugly vz-24's for $69, have nice bores but are cosmetically lacking. I wouldn't feet too bad cutting up one of these.
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I bought a decent Finn M39 with good wood, good rifling and very good finish (bluing) for $89 at a gun store in a neighboring town. It shoots well enough, but that straight, stubby little bolt is (to me) annoying as all get-out. Personally, I like Mausers. I got one of those "unused" out-of-the-armory, still-packed-with-cosmoline Yugo 48's from a local pawn shop for $180 (yeah, yeah, I know, they took me for a ride)and it's an excellent shooter. I was told that as far as Mo-Nagants go, the Finn ones were made a shade better than the Russian ones. So I'd say: (1) Buy a Mauser instead. Strong, reliable action. (2) Or buy a good Finn M39 or the like. (3) Or settle for a Russian M-N.
Look in the latest issue of "Shotgun News", and you'll see quite a bit of cheap 7.62 X 54R ammo, so the M-N or its variant(s) will be relatively cheap to feed!0 -
I have a couple of Nagant rifles, one of them is ANIB Polish 44 that I paid less than $200 for. I picked up a Russian type 44 with 98% of the finish and excellent accurcy for $50 at a pawnshop.
I agree with richbug, the accuracy on these can be surprising.
queeksdraw, if you have a type 53 that was made in JAPAN, you have quite the collectible there.
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Stick with the iron sights, the scope mount 'kits' aren't all plug and play. I got a Russian M-44 for $50 at Big5 during a sale and it is dead on with the irons, put the scope mount on and can't zero in the scope. I'm waiting for my bore sighter for Christmas to attempt to remedy it by machining the mount. I removed all the wood from mine for the plastic stock and lo-and behold the barrel had rust pits from the moisture in the wood eating at over the years. Some will say ya need to have the barrel turned and checked by a gunsmith. Mine wasn't bad so I filled in the little pits with JB Weld and sprayed the gun with flat black high temp and sprayed a good teflon lube over it. She looks puuurty...just can't hit a thing with the 50mm scope on it...for now.
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HenryOReilly, I have been watching this thred and trying to fig. out the model # of the differant M/N's, I dont know much about them. I got the jap one 13 years ago at a gun show for 35.00. As I had been looking for an old military gun to sportirize the price of this one seemed like I could not get hurt if I ruined it. I asked the gentelman about it and he told me it was a type 53 jap and pointed to a spot at the muzzel under the front sight band where someone had cold stamped the #53 I asked him why it was done and he told me that it had to be done so it could be imported to the US, The other markings on the gun are a crasanthamum (sp) and some jap letters on the top of the reciver,and on the bottom of the magazine.the gun is very short like a carbine. He told me that was a full sized battle rifle built that way to fit the jap soldier. I don't think this is a collectable piece,at least I hope it is not.I'v put a ram-line stock on it and turned the bolt down. Note that I said type 53 not Mod. 53 Thanks for the input. 0 -
The M39 Finn is a very accurate Mosin. The Finns used the old Russian receiver and put high quality Finn barrels and sights, and stock on them. Check Wholesale Guns and Ammo if you want to spend 150 and get a real accurate Mosin. You can get the bolt bent by a gunsmith, easy to get it lengthened at the same time if you want. You might be happy with the iron sights on the M39 as they are very good, and adjustable. Or, bend the bolt and put a scope on it you would have a real good shooter. Or, Darrel over at milsurpshooter.net makes a scout mount for the M39 for $48 that is top quality. You can mount it yourself, no drilling and tapping, no modification of the bolt. I have one of Darrel's mounts and they are first class. You have to use a long eye relief pistol scope with Darrel's mount. Good luck, there is a world of cheap accurate commie Mosin ammo out there. 0
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