Help with US Mail (USPS) "Lost" Colt Conversion.
USPS (Post Office) has "lost" an insured package with a .22 conversion unit in it and even though it was being shipped to an FFL, they are saying it needed to be from an FFL also as a piece to a handgun must be a handgun. Anyone successfully deal with this issue and have any guidance for me? Thanks for any help.
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Tell them the only "piece" of a handgun that is a handgun is the frame.
When I was carrying mail the only record of insured mail would be the reciept that was signed when I delivered it & the reciept the mailer recieved when they mailed it. If they can't prove they delivered it they should pay the insured value.
I believe this may have changed since they now have some type of
do-hinkey they have to carry around to record who-knows-what & they may have better records.0 -
A conversion kit is not a handgun. Ask to talk with a supervisor. Keep going up the ladder until you find someone that knows what they are talking about. The post office is getting a little more sticky about insurance claims, since there have been a lot of fraudulent claims (by unscrupulous people) since ePay started.
Good luck
The gene pool needs chlorine.0 -
You should be able to get any gun dealer in your area to provide you with a copy of the published laws and ordnances for your state that will show that the frame is the only restricted part. You can also pull up the laws yourself by going to: www.atf.treas.gov
Good Luck! .... ELDORADO0 -
This year is almost over, thank goodness! The postal service employees have stolen $135.00 of items I have mailed so far this year. They don't lose stuff, it simply dissappears.
wcreel@ccms.net0 -
Someone told me that you should never put the name of a gun shop on a package. Find out the name of the owner and use that, With the shop address...... Think that would work
It will hurt you, More than it will hurt me..
Life Member... N R A
Thanks for all the help!0 -
Thanks so much for the information and advise....keep it coming. I never put anything on the address to hint at contents, but a heavy package insured for $300 does attract those thieves that figure it is insured and they are not hurting anyone. Not long after this package came up missing I caught the tail end of a news report about a postal employee thief taking 30 or so packages not far from here, but not in a place this package should have gone through.(from south/central Colo to MN) I think the USPS is using standard denial tactics and bureaucratic shuffling to frustrate a person into giving up to save their sanity, but my sense of right and wrong, and my anger at the improper treatment of law abiding gun owners (not to mention law abiding postal customers forced into paying the ridiculous insurance rates the USPS charges, just to deny a claim when they "lose" a package) drives me to fight these people to the proper conclusion. What I need to accomplish that is facts and precedents, and details of anyone's experiences with dealing with the USPS, especially the faceless claims people in St Louis. My thanks to all who are taking the time to help! It is my customer who is out the money,...not a penny in this for me. It is the principle that is driving me. At 50 years of age, I have lost the majority of my "priciple" battles, but feel this one needs to fought a bit longer, especially since Fedex and UPS have shown how they feel about gun owners. Well, on to the front. 0 -
You might want to request a copy of Publication 52 at any PO; this details the rules for mailing a firearm (and states that a "firearm" is all parts needed to make a functioning firearm). Not an exact quote, but the regs are clear.
Escalating your complaint up the supervisory chain is a good suggestion. Or, go right to the top --- a letter to the Postmaster General. I've also had good results writing to my Senator/Congressman; that's especially effective if yours is on the Post Office/Govt Affairs subcommittee.
Neal0 -
You need to immediately contact the Postmaster at your delivery zipcode. Also, fill a customer complaint form the number of which I can't call-it changed recently. Such a complaint will generate an investigation of the situation. If the response is unsatisfactory, contact the Postal Inspection Service. You can also contact me directly ar robertthead@hotmail.com. I am a Postmaster and I don't like the inference that is being passed around.
Mobuck0 -
You need to immediately contact the Postmaster at your delivery zipcode. Also, fill a customer complaint form the number of which I can't call-it changed recently. Such a complaint will generate an investigation of the situation. If the response is unsatisfactory, contact the Postal Inspection Service. You can also contact me directly ar robertthead@hotmail.com. I am a Postmaster and I don't like the inference that is being passed around.
Mobuck0 -
Great information, and again I thank all of you who have taken the time to help. There is no edit function anymore so I can't go back and smooth over any offending statements. Unfortunately the results of corporate attitudes do unfairly taint our views of good/great people. Unfortunately corporate attitiudes also protect elements that should be dealt with. I actually like the Postal service and have friends that spent their entire lives working for them,...some of the greatest people ever, but also a couple that should have been aborted. (Okay, now I angered the anti-abortionists, and I again apologize,...but if you knew these people of whom I speak.....) I hesitate to ask the moderator to eliminate this post (thread?) as there has been some great advise, but I guess I don't want it to deteriorate into a Post Office bashing. My local PO is full of great people who I look forward to seeing and who have been very helpful in this process. It is the process and upstream corporate attitudes and policies that are the fun. My meeting today just boiled down to passing the word up to "them" (the faceless ones) to refer to their Domestic Mail Manual (DMM) section C024.4.0 which basically says "the Postmaster is not qualified to determine legal definitions and should therefore contact the nearest office of the BATF" and if they do so, that should be that. One concern is "Publication 52", a very large book that I was unable to access on the internet and is too big to be a handout at the PO and with a very quick scan of the first of it I am wondering if they (USPS) might have a technically different definition of firearm way down deep in the fine print. The big print looks basically the same as Federal Firearms Law definition, but I do ever so pucker when I see that much fine print. Again, my thanks, and my apologies to all I've offended.(Well,...except maybe those two....) 0 -
the grip frame with the serial number is consider to be the firearm...any ATF agent will tell you that! AND IT IS IN THEIR BOOK AND THEY CAN SEND YOU A COPY OF THAT SECTION.
YOU CAN LITERALLY TAKE A S&W REVOLVER APART -GUT'S COMPLETELY OUT- AND SEND THEM ANYWHERE...but the serial numbered grip frame must to to an FFL...usps is where ignorance runs rampant!0 -
Recently I asked for a complaint form at the PO and was told the written complaint form had been eliminated. I was given a 800 number to call.
Talk about spitting against the tide ----0
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