infrared sniper scope, m1 carbine
I have an old infrared sniper scope that was ment to be mounted on a M1 carbine... Does anyone who I can send it to, to be repaired? I thinkk all the parts are there, I would like to get it working..........
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Pet peeve time, ELIMINATE the word "sniper" when refering to this scope.
Sniper rigs are long range, accurate, offensive weapons.
The infrared sighting system is a short range general fire unit, and the carbine is a short range general defense weapon. This combination was ment for night time parimiter defense of fire bases, but was sometimes used on night patrols.
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.0 -
You might want to post your request on the M1 carbine forum at the Culver Shooting Page (www.jouster.com).
Neal0 -
There's also a back pack power unit that goes with that scope. 0 -
I'm really an M1 Garand man, but if I recall there were actually three different models of these IR devices: Sniper Scope, infrared, M1 (T120) and Sniper Scope, infrared, M2 had the projector mounted on the underside of the weapon. Sniper Scope, set No.1/M3- developed in the post war era and used in Korea- mounted the projector above. This was the military designation for these units so I am not trying to upset anyone who objects to the term "Sniper Scope" attached to the M1 Carbine. This was Uncle Sam's name for the things and not my own.
I would suggest that you get in touch with one of the carbine collectors associations, as Neal Meyer's suggested. There are probably lots of folks working to restore these units- and probably most having a tough time. The batteries, as V35 mentioned in his post, will be nearly impossible to locate in operating condition- hey, they'd be 40+ years old, and will have to be replaced with some type of new commerecial units. I am sure there are many other collectors who have already traveled this road and can assist you.
Quite frankly these carbine IR units were never outstanding performers and I feel you'd be just as well served by making yours a display piece rather than going to the trouble of making it functional. The early M1/2 units are very rare and would bring a big premium. Only Winchester and Inland produced the T3/M3 specific model carbines for these early IR units so if you want a correct match you'll have to find a carbine from one of these two manufacturers. Post war units would be correct on any M1 Carbine, regardless of make.
Mark T. Christian
Edited by - mark christian on 11/26/2002 21:04:340 -
But Stephen Hunter sure made them sound good in his books,setting just 6 miles from here at Fort Chaffee.
cpermd0 -
I believe it was called the Snooperscope not Sniperscope.
There was a third version of the T3,M3 series. It was a conversion of
the standard M1 carbine by the addition of a Redfield type mount that engaged the rear sight. It extended forward to the midpoint of the handguard where it was attached by wingscrew to a stud mounted to a barrel clamp. The forend was drilled to allow the stud to pass through. I believe there was also a pistol grip I.R. controller mounted to the forend.
The outfit was a Signal Corps unit and not Ordnance Corps unit as one might expect.0 -
V35, checked two different sources: Canfield's and Ruth's books on carbines and both quote the military classification of this device as: "sniper scope, infrared...ect.". I believe the troops may have called it a "snooper" and that term is FAR more accurate. Two photo credits in Ruth's book are sourced as Office, Chief of Ordnance. I am a Garand man so I'll defer to a carbine expert on this subject and I'll have to hit the books HARD on this one. No doubt about the batteries though...it won't work without them! Someone out there told me in an unrelated post that he had a copy of the original tech manual for these IR scopes...maybe will read this post and help out.
Mark T. Christian0 -
All responders know something about this unit. Whether "Sniper or
Snooper", it was a heavy package for a grunt.
Neal, probably made the best suggestion: www.jouster.com
They have a M-1 Carbine forum. Some know all and others may know
little. I do know for a fact that the battery pack is still available
from "Sarco" and also the voltage may be converted to an available source. (Not Inexpensive). An interesting but complete loss of funds.
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Thanks for all the help guys......... I'm not sure what model it is, but I know it's the one that is mounted on top of the M1. On the case it reads U.S. SINPERSCOPE INFRARED SET 1 20000 VOLTS. The only thing it's missing is the mounting bracket 0 -
The mounting bracket went with the gun which was an Ordnance major item while the Sniperscope was a Signal Corps item that was serviced and issued by them. The scope keyed into the mount (bracket) and was retained by two screws after the fashion of the Redfield Junior mount. The keyslot was identical to the Redfield but the retaining screws were a little larger in head diameter but smaller in thread size.
I don't recall if the spacing between front and rear mounts was the same as the Redfield but I believe it was. I would suspect the strap mount used on the M1 conversions were made by Redfield because it used the Redfield system.
50 years ago I altered several of the T3 carbines and mounted M82 scopes on them. They were remarkably accurate and a lot of fun to shoot.
The two I sent home are regretfully long gone.0
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