is FFL required?
I would like to sell an old sxs dbl barrel shotgun. It has exposed hammers and will only shoot black powder loads. It has a serial number therefore I beleive it was made after 1899.
If I sell this gun to someone in another state do we need to go through an FFL dearler?
email: sass16111@hotmail.com
If I sell this gun to someone in another state do we need to go through an FFL dearler?
email: sass16111@hotmail.com
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This is an excelent question. I am under the impression that since it is black powder you can ship directly. But I would like to know for sure also.
TOOLS
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Its very Possible that this old Shotgun is older than 1898...The fact that it has a Serial Number only means that someone thought it wise and prudent to Number the Production...Tender a Discription and be patient! I/We might come up with a surprise for you......
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Thanks "TOOLS" and "Captain Kirk" for the replies.
Here's the particuliars:
manufacturer: Eclipse Gun Co.
top of barrels (center): No. 5212 TWIST FINISH BELGIUM
right bbl: Eclipse Leader
left bbl: choked
under side bbls (center): (ser.no.) 102058
with other numbers located along bbl
proof marks on both bbls
action (right side): proof marks 0, 78
(left side): 102058, 12, BELGIUM
The reason for my question is that even with the invention of smokeless powder many of these types of shotguns continued to be made into the 1920's maybe even 1930's.
Thanks for any help or information that anyone can give.
BillyCramer
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Im looking to buy a black powder shotgun fo club shoots. If interested in selling please let me know!!!
bucknbull_hntr@hotmail.com thanks
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Sorry timber, shotgun is sold pending outcome of my question on whether I need to send it to an FFL dealer or not. Thanks for the interest though.
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I am a FFL Dealer. Federal laws say that you, as an individual, can sell your gun to another indivedual without going through a dealer, HOWEVER-, YOU CANNOT MAIL OR SHIP THROUGH ANOTHER CARRIER WITHOUT AN FFL. Also, many local laws vary. Maine, California, and some other states have very strict laws, so start by checking with your local law enforcement and if you have any doubt, go through a dealer. You may be able to find one who will ship or do a transfer for $20 or so. I charge $10 to ship and $20 to receive. 0 -
BILLYZ,
I don't think that is what Federal laws say.
Any non-FFL can ship to an FFL holder. They can also ship antiques or black powder replicas without going through an FFL. Also, non-FFL holders can ship to the factory or gunsmith if the firearm is in need of repair.
However, unless the firearm is antique or a black powder replica, an individual cannot ship to another individual.
If a non-FFL holder ships to an FFL holder, it is wise to have a signed copy of their FFL.
Gunbroker has these laws posted, there is a link on their home page.
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Thanks Guys for the input. I'll play it safe and go through an FFL dealer for out of state sales. Don't want to get into trouble for a technicallity. Whether it is or isn't an antique.
To quote my state law (Maryland), "An antique firearm, defined as one manufactured on or before 1898, or any replica thereof which is not designed for firing fixed ammunition or which uses fixed ammunition longer manufactured in the United States and no longer readily available commercially, is exempted from state law".
I take this to mean some obsoleted ammunition or flint lock rifles and cap and ball rifles and handguns.
And with the advent of Cowboy Action shooting a lot of obsoleted fixed ammunition is being remanufactured. Even black powder shotgun shells.
Thanks again for the input.
BillyCramer
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Of course it is your call to go through a FFL for this black powder transfer, but I really don't think there are any transfer requirements on black powder guns at this point in time; at least that is the case here in Tennessee. I guess if you want to pay all the additional costs incurred for this transfer yourself, specifically for your piece of mind, then that is your call.
Hmmm, I was just trying to think of the last time I heard of any crimes committed with back powder long-guns. Moreover, I don't think the BATF was siezing any large or small quantities of illegal black powder weapons of 'meager destruction'.
Boomer
"Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as it is by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed."NRA Life Member0 -
O.K. Here's exactly what pg. 136 of 2000 federal firearms regulations book says. (B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. postal service? A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state..... A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state.
I interprate any to mean any firearm, even blackpowder. I also felt my answer was correct, since his question, in a nut shell, was do I need a dealer, and my answer, in a nut shell, was yes. I'm not saying I have to be right, I just can't imagine anyone advising him to mail a gun, in this time, through the posal service(most likely) when $20 or so could have avoided the whole situation. Yes, i agree, he can mail it to a dealer, but he does need an ffl dealer to receive it. Which was his question, and I answered yes. On your side, I must admit, Pg. 134 (A4) do antique firearms come within the purview of the GCA? The answer is no. Go figure. Any how, I just hated to see a problem arise for him, when another disgruntled Democrat postal worker X-Rayed it, or whatever they do, and had a fit. Sorry for the misunderstanding BZ0 -
The way gun laws have a habit ..like all laws...of changing overnight.I sure wouldn't quote a book of laws that is 2-1/2 years old... A guy could get locked up over something like that.... 0
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