Bump Firing A Mini 14
Just was wondering if bump firing the Mini 14 on occassion would do any damage? Tried it this weekend and she emptied a 20rd mag straight through first try....that was exciting enough for me. I didn't think it could be done. Shot away all my ammo in a few seconds which would have lasted atleast a half hour target shooting $$$$. I don't plan on doing it often but would like to try again if it does'nt hurt my baby. Has anyone bump fired a M1 Garand?
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
Pack slow, fall stable, pull high, hit dead center.
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What exactly IS bump firing? 0 -
Bump fireing is where you let the recoil of the gun naturaly pull the trigger.It is very inaccurate,and common with the SAR AKs.The only thing is it will over heat your barrel.And if you lay the gun down with ammo still in it,it can fire the shells in the gun causeing serious injury or death.
Rugster
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I do not think you can "bump fire" your Mini-14 enough to cause a "cookoff," and if you did, it would fire one round and chamber another, after which it would again take a while to heat the next round enough to again "cook off." There are many closed-bolt full auto firearms and "cookoffs" are not a problem. The Ruger AC556 Mini-14-based rifle is one, and the H-K MP5 is another. A steady diet of "bump fire" will shorten barrel life, but otherwise, have fun. 0 -
It won't damage your Mini-14, but will make a dent in your wallet. Rugster is correct about the inaccuracey and the barrel heat, but I doubt that you'll ever shoot that way often enough or long enough to do any lasting damage. There are plenty of select fire Mini's that are just fine after extended full auto shooting. The notion of trying this type of trick with an M1 Garand, or using the old shoe lace method, is not nearly so appealing. The recoil from a clip of .30-06 ball rounds is pretty stiff and will shove you around quite a bit. I've seen this type of performance done by guys who were fully expecting the recoil and it was still not pleasant. Expect to send more ammo into the air than at the target.
Mark T. Christian0 -
When you have a round in a hot chamber and it goes off, It's called "COOKOFF" We had that problem in Nam, With the M16's. The Army came out with a different powder and called it IMR, " Improved Military Round " That helped the cookoff problem and a lot of JAMS with the M16, But I think any new powder will do it
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I've seen a video of a guy bump firing an M1 Garand and a 12 gauge shotgun. I've bump fired a rifle chambered in 7.62 NATO. I'd tell you what kind of rifle, but Mark would get mad.
Most fun I've had bump firing is with my Carbon 15 pistol. That sucker is FAST!
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Edited by - boeboe on 11/05/2002 00:25:480 -
I saw a guy bump fire an SKS at a match I was shooting, and it was pretty impressive, it shot at full auto rate.
ITGOBANG--- Actually, IMR means Improved Military "Rifle". It is a trademark of the Dupont Co. The jamming problems experienced with the M-16A1's in Nam were due to powder like you said, but also caused by the fact that the M-16 chambers were not chrome lined. Robert McNamara, the Sec of defense at the time felt that if Eugene Stoner didnt design the rifle with a chrome bore, then it didnt need it. Boy was he wrong! It goes to show you, "Never let school interfere with your education."
The M-16 I had in Nam blew up on me during an ambush. I fired about 25 twenty rd mags on full auto. Then the top rnd in the mag went off, blowing the mag all to pieces, and injuring me. My fault for exceeding the cyclic rate.
The term cook-off also is used when a primer has a slow burn rate due to a defect or age, and the round fires a few seconds after the primer is hit.0 -
Laredo, your last sentence about the primer: This condition is a "hang fire". Tom
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Only "problem" with Bump-Firing a weapon is the heat-buildup in the barrel.
Barrels wear-off more when they're hot - resulting in shorter life of the barrel - but I doubt you will feel much wear though with an occational series of bumpfiring.
If it's only 1-2-3 magazines of 20 rounds each - it will get hot, but probably not enough to cause a Cook-Off.
Af for recoil with the Mini-14 - being a .223Rem round, it isn't all that bad.
I tried bumpfiring the ol' US Carbine in .30Carbine, it ate two 30round magazines, then the triggermechanism must have got hot - as it began to go Full-Auto on the third 30-round magazine without me touching the trigger.
So - Happy shooting =o)
Regards
Peter E Jeppesen
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IMR is " IMPROVED MILITARY ROUND" I have a few rds in the box with it marked on it.... The big thing with the M16's was the powder.. And yes the chrome BBL Did help, but that came on the guns about 1 year after the IMR was out.. Remember the first M16's did not have a forward assist ??? And a few had crome boats, They thought that would help.
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can you "bump fire" a pistol? 0 -
You can bump fire some pistols easier than others. Some pistold probably can't be bump fired. Of course that's true with single shot pistols. There are techniques by which semi-auto pistols can be bumped.
On bump firing my Carbon 15, it's a matter of wrapping the left hand around the front of the receiver, as well as the barrel. It's more like you are pulling the firearm away from you with the left hand.
I've bump fired my Intratec Tec-22 Scorpion by using hot loads, such as CCI Stinger, and grabbing the magazine with the left hand. Push forward with the left hand while grabbing the magazine.
The M11/9 is a snap with the barrel extention. I've never seen an M11/9 that wouldn't bump fire great.
On this video I saw on bump firing, there was a guy bumping a .45 auto, looked like he was pulling forward (away from him) by holding the trigger guard. I've tried bumping my Beretta 92FS a couple of ways with no luck. It might be possible with the right technique, but I haven't discovered it.
Actually, some firearms just plain are easier to bump fire than others. It works great on some Mini-14's, others, no. It works great on some SKS's, others, no. Probably true with many guns. The trigger pull has something to do with the ease of in which a gun can be bumped. Some's got it, some's aint.
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M1 Garand I didn't think was all that bad to bump fire, at least until the clip ejected and hit me in the nose *grin*
I did hear rumor of a LEO that managed to get his pistol to "bump fire", seems he hung it on a peg, the weight caused it to fire, spin, fire, spin until the magazine was empty (and his pants were full)
Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.0
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