JP Sauers
JP Sauers & Soh Sulh is marked on the barrel and Telliv 32 Winchester centr proof marks and crown with b under it. There is an eagle above that. This is a single shot with set trigger. I believe it is a stocking rifle with fancy engraving. Barrel length is 25-5/8. Overall length is 42 inches Serial #209056, 7.6 mm walnut stock with cheek rest and very fine checkering. I would like to know the year and value. Any other history would be helpful.
David Russell
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this probally of no help but about 20 yrs ago i had a .22 single shot target pistomade by same maker it had 10 or mabey 12' octagon barrel,set trigger,black plastic grips with a rearihg horse similar to a colt,never could find out much about it but it sure made good trading material! good luck - rick
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Your description is lacking but I'll offer what I can.
J.P. Sauer & Sohn is the oldest firearms manufacturing firm in Germany, founded in 1751 in Suhl, according to the "1998 Standard Catalog of Firearms, 8th Edition" by Ned Schwing.
In 1951, Sauer & Sohn moved to Eckemfoerde where it continued to produce high quality firearms.
So since your rifle has "Suhl" on it, you can date it to pre-1958.
I looked through the "Official Guide to Gunmarks, Third Edition" by Robert H. Balderson.
The only "crown with a B under it" is listed as "German proof using Mauser M71 powder, circa 1891." I doubt that's the mark on your rifle.
If that "B" is actually a "G" then it makes more sense, because a G with a crown over it is the German rifle proof mark from 1891 to 1939. Reexamine that mark again.
A little flour on the finger, swiped over the mark, can sometimes bring out a little more detail. Chalk or a white grease pencil can be used the same way.
I found all sorts of eagle proofmarks in the book, but none coupled with a crown and B. I'm stumped.
The "Telliv 32 Winchester center proof marks" has me mystified.
This may mean the rifle is chambered for the .32-20 cartridge, or the .32 Winchester Special cartridge.
The .32-20 was once referred to as the .32 WCF so "center" in your description would fit that. The .32 Winchester Special was once referred to as ".32 Special" or ".32 WS."
Europeans have made arms for the .30-30 cartridge (which they call 7.62X51R) but I've never heard of European gunmakers chambering their rifles for .32 Winchester Special. If they did, I'm certain that it too would have a metric designation, probably something akin to "8X51R" or some such thing.
Your note of "7.6mm" may mean your rifle is, indeed, a .30-30 but it should be taken to a gunsmith for verification.
This rifle was probably brought home by a GI after World War I or II.
Because he couldn't get cartridges in its original caliber, he had it rechambered by a gunsmith (not an uncommon practice, back then). That gunsmith's name may have been "Telliv."
I'm way out of my field on this firearm, not being familiar with German commercial arms. The books I have do not cover such arms so I'm hazarding a guess on much of this.
Perhaps someone else out there would be more helpful.
Knowing so little about the rifle, I can't possibly offer a value or its history.
"A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .44!"0 -
Thank you for your reply. This rifle was bought at an estate auction. It does have the crown with a "B" under it and the eagle above it. The barrel was clear full of cosmeline when I got it. I shot a 32-20 out of it but the bullet must've been too small. I got some blow-by. It fits lose in the end of the barrel. I did call Sig Sauers for information. They said it was a stalking rifle. They had no other information. I did email JP Sauers in Germany, but didn't get any response. Thank you for your efforts. It's a beautiful rifle and I don't think it has been re-chambered. Guppy
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