smokeless ammo in Black powder gun?
Just wondering if new ammo will affect anything in an old gun? model 86 in 45-70,also any of you guys have a good load for this and maybe for a 45-90? Thanks in advance.
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Smokeless ammo in a BP gun can rearrange most of the parts of said gun and probably some of the shooter. If your wife is good looking and you have lots of insurance give it a try. Just jokeing!! I don't think it is a good idea but some experts will be along who can tell you much more about it than I can. Tom
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I have shot some new 32-20 ,38-55 and 25-20 loads in my old lever guns and have not had any problems? Not sure on the higher calibers though and I do have a good looking wife, who I don't want to have my insurance money at this moment,lol!! Thanks for the response. 0 -
I don't know anything in particular about your guns, however, generally regarding blackpowder cartridge guns, smokeless loads can be used, though I wouldn't use modern ammo either. For instance, the Mauser 71/84 was originally a black powder gun but is often loaded with light smokeless loads. Someone here should be able to give you a definite answer regarding this gun in particular.
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Pappy, you are getting nervous!! You doubled but still let Jonk sneak in between! BTW, the VERY first gun I ever bought was an old 32-20 Eibar revolver that cut lead so bad that half went down barrel and other half went thru your finger if you were dumb enough to prop it on your hand. It only took me once!! Tom
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Sounds like a little timing problem Tom lol!! I bet you kept hand clear after that!!
Regards,
Terry
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OH yes, before I forget: I bought a pistol from SOG, a 38 special LARGO, which is BP. It will chamber a regular 38 special so I wrote SOG and they said "DO NOT" shoot anything but BP in it. So I loaded up a bunch of BP rounds for it. I don't intend to EVER shoot anything else in it. Tom
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Most of the guns I collect are old Winchester levers and singles,thats why I am asking. Thanks again
Regards,
Terry
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I am no expert , but I figure that if in doubt - DON'T.!
Why risk destroying a perfectly good gun by firing something that the gun wasn't originally designed for . Just my 2c worth.
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pappy, most of the factory smokeless loads are kept on the super mild side exactly because there are so many firearms still in use out there built before the advent of smokeless. I'm not advocating the use of these in BP firearms, only observing that the legal eagles at Winchester, Remington, et. al. know darn right well that, for example, any given .45-70 their company loads could be shot in a trapdoor Springfield. Winchester produced some 'high velocity' loads in .32 WCF, .38 WCF & .44 WCF (.32-20, .38-40, .44-40) for a very brief period between the World Wars. The boxes and ammo were both marked M-92 for use only in the M1892. These are collectible items today, albeit not especially valuable ones, because they were yanked off the market after people started using them in various revolvers, M1873 and other BP firearms with less than happy results.
The M1886 is a good strong action which was made well into the 20th Century. If it is one of the newer ones and in sound condition (verified by a qualified gun smith), it is unlikely you would have any problems . . . but that is a decision you must make for yourself.0 -
You can fire factory Remington, Winchester and Federal 45-70 loads in that 86 as the factories keep their loads down in pressure for all the Springfield Trapdoors still running around.
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Accurate Arms did, a few years ago put out a small reloading guide
for their AA 5744 powder that was made specifically for older black
powder rifles and handguns (?). I have used their loads in several
with good results. It was a smokeless powder.0
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