Unknown 12 gauge??? I need a little help.
I have a 12-gauge shotgun that I need a part for but i cannot identify the manufacturer. There are no numbers or markings on the gun. The link has pictures of the gun, i hope some one can help.
http://www.florida-beach.com/anm/a5/gun.htm
Thanks for the help.
Mark
Edited by - wellbe1 on 10/26/2002 11:23:09
http://www.florida-beach.com/anm/a5/gun.htm
Thanks for the help.
Mark
Edited by - wellbe1 on 10/26/2002 11:23:09
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Boy thats a tough one, Forend looks like winchester Mod.12 But the reciver looks like an early J.C. Higgins or Savage? Could be a spare parts gun?
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That is a conundrum...no i.d. of any kind? The receiver, safety, bolt, etc remind me a lot of a Smith & Wesson "Eastfield" pump gun that I once had. The grooved slide handle may not be original to your shotgun...I suspect one of these GB members will recognize the way the magazine tube is held to the barrel as an identifying characteristic. I'll be watching for others' input as it has me curious as well. Best, Jim
timbroman@aol.com0 -
Safety on the tang reminds me of Mossberg... But Mossberg was never that ugly! For the life of me I can't remember the brand, but there's a utility gun made in the Phillipeans that sort of resembles what you have. Sorry not to have more info.
Nord0 -
After I oiled the gun up I saw some fine text, I think it says
PROOF TESTED 12 GAUGE
--- 2 _ INCH CHAMBER ---
hope this helps
Mark0 -
i scanned the gun with my scanner, in the picture it looks as if it maybe Springfield or something like that
http://www.florida-beach.com/anm/a5/gun.jpg
Mark0 -
wellbe, There was a brand of shotguns sold during the early to late 1960's by the name of Springfield. They sold a number of shotguns: autoloaders, break open, bolt action and pump. I am looking at an old shotgun catalog (1968) and the Springfiled Model 67 lookd quite a bit like the gun in the photos. The fore end appears identical. There were a few different variation and it was available in either 2-3/4" or 3" for an extra $5 over the $68.10 retail price.
I cannot tell from the tiny line drawing where the safety is located. There is no information that I can find as to the location of Springfield and their shotguns are not even listed in my 1971 copy of the same guide. Back before the GCA-68 shotguns were not required to have serial numbers, but the receiver should bear a makers name somewhere. This may be the gun or it may not. At any rate, a gunsmith can always fabricate a needed small part, but restoring that old pump may be more trouble than it is worth. Just my opinion.
Mark T. Christian
Edited by - mark christian on 10/26/2002 22:31:250 -
After a bit of research... Savage M-28 almost without question.
Nord0 -
Prior to 1968, Stateside firearms weren't required to have a serial number. Have you taken it apart, totally? Maybe there are some other markings on the barrel under the stock etc. I'm thinking that due to the 12 ga proofing marking, it may have been in England sometime in it's life.
Dam, it's got a nice patina. One idea, and it's not a great one, would be to gently remove the patina. Think the finest brass wire wheel you can find and clean off the patina.
No, that's a really stupid idea. Considering it lived in salt air for who knows how long, it's in pretty good condition. Given it's history of living in salt air, it may be best to put a light coat of grease on it and find it an honoured place over a mantle. If it could only talk.
And you take an exceptionally nice picture. Digital or not. You have a good eye.0 -
it looks to me too be a old nobel,they looked alot like the stevens or springfield.hope this helps ,keep on bangin boys ,don 0 -
Nord, I agree that it is almost certainly a Savage, but my poorly-illustrated guide makes it look very much like the Savage Mod 30 FG (Field Grade)with an up-graded slide handle. Best, Jim
timbroman@aol.com0 -
Nord, I agree that it is almost certainly a Savage, but my poorly-illustrated guide makes it look very much like the Savage Mod 30 FG (Field Grade)with an up-graded slide handle. Best, Jim
timbroman@aol.com0 -
Nord, I agree that it is almost certainly a Savage, but my poorly-illustrated guide makes it look very much like the Savage Mod 30 FG (Field Grade)with an up-graded slide handle. Best, Jim
timbroman@aol.com0 -
Not a Nobel. Look at the rounded ejection port. That and the safety on a Nobel is at the rear of the trigger guard.
Possibly a M-30, but I think not. M-30 was made 1958-1970 and this gun is just too old even for a mid-50's firearm. M28 was made 1928-1931, has a top safety, and the reciever contours are correct.
This is by no means a collector gun and isn't worth a whole lot of bother. The patina translates to rust and it's far from beautiful on anything that should be blue. I have a sneaking feeling that a modern Savage/Stevens part will fit the bill if you really want to fix the old girl.
And since Savage/Stevens/Riverside et al are still very much in business... Look 'em up on the internet and drop a dime on them.
Nord0
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