Why is Preban so expensive?
I know it has something to do with the time its made before a bill
that was signed but is that all that makes prebans so much more
expensive? Any information on Preban items would be helpful I am
about to make my first Rifle purchase (Turning 18 Sunday) So im new
to gun purchasing but not to guns themselves just curious on what makes prebans so expensive and if they are actualy worth that ammount
of money. Thanks.
that was signed but is that all that makes prebans so much more
expensive? Any information on Preban items would be helpful I am
about to make my first Rifle purchase (Turning 18 Sunday) So im new
to gun purchasing but not to guns themselves just curious on what makes prebans so expensive and if they are actualy worth that ammount
of money. Thanks.
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In reality they are not worth the price. The post bans do the same thing with out the evil features. Wait untill 2004 or just before for a pre ban. If they repeal the ban the price drops greatly. For those that believe they will drop the ban they will sell at a reduced price just before 2004. My 2 cents 0 -
What type of rifle are you looking to get? Have you shot rifles much before? If no, I would not get a rifle that was in the class that has the "Pre-ban/Post-ban" for a first gun. What do you want the rifle for? My recommendation would be that you get a 22LR either a bolt-action or semi-auto. The gun will cost less and the ammo is $1/box of 50 and up, as opposed to $3/box of 20 and up for .223 and lots more for the bigger calibers.
As far as waiting till 2004 I really don't expect that the law will "sunset". I hope I'm wrong.
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Smokeeater38: I was basically raised around guns my father taught me
how to reload all my own brass shells. I've been hunting skeet/trap/
sporting clays shooting ive done a lot of shooting mostly shotguns
but alot of rifles currently have a 12ga remington 20ga remington
410 bore remington and a 28ga remington as for rifles 10/22 ruger
10/22 horney and a old winchester 22 which i cant find online its
a pump action and a ruger mini 14 as for pistols a tauraus 9mm and
a llama 357. And i've shot guns friends had ive even shot a few
FA's a Thompson Tommy Gun and some variation of a Korean AK47.
I've been in the NRA and DCM and I've done match shooting with
AR15's ( which is what im looking to buy btw ) i basically want
the gun for hunting and target because ive always admired colts
rifles especialy the ar15.0 -
Oops 10/22 Hornet god I feel like an idiot lol. 0 -
Saxon is almost right. The law actually says that so long as the pre-ban receiver was built into a complete rifle prior to the ban, then it is legal to use the so-called "evil features" on the receiver now. For most people, this means a retractable stock and a flash suppressor. The bottom line, Jerm, is that certain people are willing to pay quite a bit more for the versatility.
Just as point of interest, have you seen a post-ban rifle fire military ammo without a flash suppressor? The fireball shooting out of the muzzle is unbelievable. For many, the ability to use a bona fide flash suppressor is reason enough.
For what it's worth.0 -
Jerm,
I think that's called a Freudian slip. If you want to fix things like that you can go to the third icon from the left, the paper w/pencil, and edit your posts (this shows up only on your own posts). That one is funny I glad that you didn't edit it.
You sound like you have a good back ground with firearms. I personal like the Colt, that's what I was trained on in the Army and I have always like Colt firearms. Check out the post "Pre-ban vs. Post ban" link: http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=35452
If you want it to be an investment then going with a "Pre-ban" should mean that down the road you'd have one that's worth more. For shooting now the "Post-ban" will be the same for the most part as a "Pre-ban".
I don't know how much you have read on the GunBroker site before you started posting, but Captain Kirk keeps us in line with the amount of post each topic has. This normally is 10 then he locks them. This is because the question has been normally answered by then. You may want to post in the General Discussion if you want more views and you will get all kinds. I hope this has help and welcome to the site.
Rifleman.308,
I didn't now that there was a big difference. I'll have to get with a friend that has a "post-ban" and see it on a dark night; I have a "Pre-ban"
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SP brings up something that I have wondered about. Adding folding stocks, flash supressors, etc, to a pre-ban, does the actual receiver have to be configured in this mannor when it left the factory? Or, does this receiver's S/N fall into a group that were manufactured when these features were legal?
cbxjeffIt's too late for me, save yourself.0 -
It would seem the bottom line on adding accessories to a pre ban would be proving whether or not they were there originally. On a pre ban, if the accessories were available, saying they came on the weapon is hard to disprove. On the post ban, certain accessories will never fly. Some of these accessories matter to some, thereby some are willing to pay more for the options.
As said, the crime bill may or may not sunset, so I make it a point to acquire the items I want at the best price possible. That way, whether Klinton's legacy remains or not, I am able to enjoy the toys I choose.
Good luck
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Wow, remember when u could get a Colt AR-15 at Walmart for $599.99 0 -
Wow the first thing I'm gonna do when that stupid law summits, it put a national match flash hider with a big fat BAYONET LUG on my M1A. And buy an whole buncha 20rd GI magazines (though I don't think that those will go down in price that much for some reason).
Maybe one day before I retire and move off to switzerland (my dream 50yrs from now) they will repeal the laws that restrict automatic weapons from being manufactured, and I will be able to have it converted. Oh, do I dream.0 -
The misinformation on "pre-ban" firearms continues as illustrated by this thread. If a centerifre semi-automaitc rifle with a removable magazine was in an "assault weapon" configuration before September 13, 1994, it can still be modified now in any way desired with any of the forbidden features in any combination. It does not have to have been configured in a particular way before the ban to allow a particular modification to be made now. One need not prove when the modifying accessories were made. This is the federal law, and some states my have different laws that have different restrictions and prohibitions.
Whether someone considers pre-ban rifles "worth it" is irrelevant. The law of supply and demand fixes the market value. No one is forced to buy a pre-ban rifle. The fact that so many do want to buy them raises the market price. As stated by some posters, many of the forbidden features do have practical value. It should be noted that a flash hider can be added to a centerfire rifle with a removable magazine as long as that is the only forbidden feature added or present.
Whether the market price will drop if the ban sunsets is open to debate. I am not sure, but I think the sunset of the ban will apply only to the domestic manufacture of "assault weapons" and will do nothing to repeal the 1989 import ban that stopped the import of the really great "assault" rifles like the Steyr AUG, FAMAS, SIG, etc..
Since there is a large collector component to many of the "pre-ban" rifles based on their age and configuration, that will not change if the ban ends. The value of my early 1964 AR-15 would not be affected by the end of the ban. Its value comes largely from its age and scarcity, not the ban.
I believe the "pre-bans" are worth the money, IF you have it. If not, buy a post-ban and get a very functional rifle for much less. An important factor in your decision may be the cost of "large capacity" magazines. There it is hard to beat the FN-FAL where magazines can be found for under $10. The AR-15 and its clones also have inexpensive magazines. The common Ruger Mini-14, not an "assault weapon" in standard configuration no matter when made, suffers from expensive factory magazines of "large capacity." The more scarce "assault weapons" such as the Beretta AR-70 have very expensive magazines. For your first "assault weapon," I would suggest a Colt AR-15.0 -
While I was composing my response, several more posts were made.
Lee, I remember when you could buy an AR-15 for $189.50 RETAIL! I sold many of them for around $400 in the 1970s and 1980s and made money. Factor in inflation, and I suspect the price now is not all that much higher since new Colt Sporters can be had for well under $1,000.
Unless someone would start making M14 magazines again after the ban sunsets, the value of those magazines, especially genuine GI contract, will likely stay about where they are. I suspect that Springfield would start again, but I would speculate the price would be about $50 or so, right where it is now. Thank God for the millions of M14 and M16 "pre-ban" magazines.0
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