AOW 12 ga
Considering an AOW 12 ga 14inch bbl for the home and camper. Thought I should get some input from folks who may own one regarding praticality. Any thoughts from users will be greatly appreciated. Thanks
BTW Mossberg model 590A1
BTW Mossberg model 590A1
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gortz, AOW barrels can go down as far as 12" for rifle shotgun combo's before they become short barreled shotguns and earn the dreaded $200 NFA Tax as opposed to the far more friendly $5 stamp. Most folks seem to feel that for shotguns 14" is the way to go here and I'd agree. Mossberg 500's seem to be the most popular but I think the 14" Cruiser was discontinued about 6 years ago. Scattergun Technologies used to make a very nice AOW based on the Rem. 870 called the concealment model. I believe the entire line was dicontinued back in 1999 or a bit before.
There are still plenty of Title II Manufactures converting the 500 Campers into AOW's so you should not have to look too hard to find one, but a factory AOW would be nice to have for collector value if nothing else. There are a lot more of these AOW shotguns in private hands than most people think and they are very useful in the right situations- only you'd know if it would work for you.
Hey, remember that if you keep this AOW in your camper you are not allowed to cross state lines without BATF permission. Just wanted to remind you off that, although you are probably aware of most of the NFA regulations if you are considering purchasing this type of weapon.
Mark T. Christian
Edited by - mark christian on 10/21/2002 22:58:49
Edited by - mark christian on 10/22/2002 21:34:040 -
Mark,
Haven't checked on it in a while. Can you still fill out the forms, send $200, get BATF approval then put a short barrel on your own shotgun. I was thinking of doing this a few years ago, but never did.
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Bama, you need to file an ATF Form 1 and need finger prints and the chief law enforcement officer in your area to sign it. Once approved you can shorten the barrel to any length you wish. It is still $200 for an individual to manufacture an AOW, even though the transfer tax is only $5.
If your state law allows, Form 1 will work on any National Firearms Act weapon you wish to build or register except for machineguns. The ability for individual manufacture of machineguns ended in 1986. There are many thousand of Form 1's filed each year so it is a much more common procedure than most people think.
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Thank Mark.
For me, it would be less expensive to modify one of mine, than
buy a new one and transfer.
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Sorry Mark, your info is incorrect. Any short barrelled shotgun, rifle, machinegun or AOW must be "manufactured" by an ATF licensed manufacturer of firearms. No other person is allowed to cut down the barrel of a rifle or shotgun to less than legal length. To do so is a violation of the National Firearms Act. A short barrel shotgun or rifle (with a shoulder stock), whatever the barrel length, carries a $200.00 tax. An AOW, in this case we are referring to a "smooth bore pistol", carries a $5.00 tax, regardless of barrel length. You may not attach a shoulder stock to a smooth bore pistol, this is also a violation of the National Firearms Act. For more information, go to www.att-tactical.com. They manufacture AOWs. Also check out www.smallarmsreview.com, a magazine for NFA enthusiasts. As for the firearm we are talking about, I own a Mossberg smooth bore pistol which was converted from a Mossberg pistol grip shotgun by a licensed manufacturer. It has a 11.5 inch barrel. It is fun to shoot, but don't expect to hit too much past 10 yards or so. 0 -
bk0331; no need to tell me about Small Arms Review as I've subscribed to it and the previuos Machinegun News since April, 1989. It is a fine publication. I also own Dan Shea's Machinegun Dealers Bible. An outstanding source of NFA information- I quote from it often. That is enough of a plug for Moose Lake publishers.
The BEST source for NFA information is the BATF as the are the compliance agency. Please visit www.atf.treas.gov/pub/nfab/index.htm
You will see the heading: aquiring NFA Firearms. It lists three methods- are you with me so far?
1) through transfer
2) a person may apply to the ATF for approval to make and register
an NFA Firearm (except a machinegun)
3) inherit
Items 1 and 3 are of zero interest in this post. As for item 2; I have registered an NFA weapon myself using ATF Form 1 and I am a dealer and not a manufacturer. A manufacturer may do the registration without paying the tax- anyone may register. When I transfered this weapon a few years later, a copy of my original approved Form 1 was also included with the paperwork releasing this weapon from my name...the BATF had ample opportunity to clear up any possible error when I first applied-there was no error! It can be done sir, because I've done it. By the way, I corrected my first post to include the term rifle/shotgun combo, which I omitted- sorry about that!
Mark T. Christian
Edited by - mark christian on 10/22/2002 21:37:080 -
Mark,
Reference the manufacture of NFA firearms, I must apologize for my error. I based my information on what my friend, a Special Occupational Tax manufacturer/dealer, related to me. It was a while back, so maybe it is just my bad memory, as I have CRS (Can't Remember Shit). However, I stand by the descriptions I gave for short barrel shotguns and rifles. If a shoulder stock is attached to either one, and the barrel is less than NFA regulations, it is "short barreled", regardless of length. If a shoulder stock is not attached and the barrel is less than NFA regs, it is an AOW, regardless of barrel length. Once configured as either one, to attach or detach the shoulder stock is contrary to the NFA. I felt that this was important to relate to grotz so as to keep him from inadvertantly violating the law. And yes, Small Arms Review is a great publication and a wealth of information.0
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