Baikal O/U 12 ga.? AdamsQuailHunter: Info. ?
I put $100 down on a beautifull used Russian Baikhal(sp?)12 ga. O/U a couple of weeks ago 'cause it was so beautifull and the price was right ($369). The thing that did it for me though is that of all the used guns in this price range (2-4Hun.)I've tried in the last month, this gun seemd to fit the best. I'm tall and skinny with a real long neck. It would still need a comb pad but it's the closest yet to a fit.
It has plain straight grained dark wood that's very well fit and shaped and nicely hand checkered. The action seems solid, tight and falls open like dropping a rock on the bed. The metal work is very nice with engraved field scenes w/ raised silver (?) birds on the reciever. It has vent rib and double beeds. Mechanically it's a plain jane gun. Single trigger, tang safety with no barrel selector, and extractors, no ejectors. The problem is my doubts about quality. My good friend who's a past world class trap shooter told me some stories about some beautifull off brand and cheap brand guns that fell apart after a hungred rounds of trap(and many K's of shots)or so in just a few weeks; some nice guns that he loved to shoot, but they just wouldn't hold together.
He says that he knows nothing about the Russian guns but the price should have scared me off for a dbl.'couse he doesn't think even the Russians can make a good double for less than $1400. I'm sure He's right about that, today, but this is an older gun and no telling what it imported for years ago or what kind of deal the shop got it in. I didn't think to ask them then and I just don't know how to ask these kinds of questions NOW without insulting them and their gun and looking like a general chump (which I may be but I hate to make it so obvious). I've bought two guns from this shop and they're good guys.
I'll probably never shoot ten let alone a hundred rounds of trap in my life let alone in the next few weeks but this thing could be stuck together with soft solder for all I know and I can't afford much gunsmithing except what I can do myself (which isn't much). I've been shotgunless for some time now and I just want a decent field gun that won't take too much modification in order to get it to fit me. Most peoples guns DON'T fit them and I DO know enough about shotgunning to know how important that is. Anybody know anything specific or have any history with these very nice looking Russian doubles?
AdamsQuailHunter? What about the Ruskies?
ranahan
Edited by - RANAHAN on 10/08/2002 03:34:57
It has plain straight grained dark wood that's very well fit and shaped and nicely hand checkered. The action seems solid, tight and falls open like dropping a rock on the bed. The metal work is very nice with engraved field scenes w/ raised silver (?) birds on the reciever. It has vent rib and double beeds. Mechanically it's a plain jane gun. Single trigger, tang safety with no barrel selector, and extractors, no ejectors. The problem is my doubts about quality. My good friend who's a past world class trap shooter told me some stories about some beautifull off brand and cheap brand guns that fell apart after a hungred rounds of trap(and many K's of shots)or so in just a few weeks; some nice guns that he loved to shoot, but they just wouldn't hold together.
He says that he knows nothing about the Russian guns but the price should have scared me off for a dbl.'couse he doesn't think even the Russians can make a good double for less than $1400. I'm sure He's right about that, today, but this is an older gun and no telling what it imported for years ago or what kind of deal the shop got it in. I didn't think to ask them then and I just don't know how to ask these kinds of questions NOW without insulting them and their gun and looking like a general chump (which I may be but I hate to make it so obvious). I've bought two guns from this shop and they're good guys.
I'll probably never shoot ten let alone a hundred rounds of trap in my life let alone in the next few weeks but this thing could be stuck together with soft solder for all I know and I can't afford much gunsmithing except what I can do myself (which isn't much). I've been shotgunless for some time now and I just want a decent field gun that won't take too much modification in order to get it to fit me. Most peoples guns DON'T fit them and I DO know enough about shotgunning to know how important that is. Anybody know anything specific or have any history with these very nice looking Russian doubles?
AdamsQuailHunter? What about the Ruskies?
ranahan
Edited by - RANAHAN on 10/08/2002 03:34:57
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If "your" gun is IZH27 model---stop worrying--it should have srew-in chokes, combination of extractors/ejectors(you set them by a small screw on the front edge of the receiver just above the hinge-pin), selective bbl by pushing on the rear of the trigger towards the front on the receiver. Colonial Chokes make every style of choke you could imagine including a neat "ported" if you wish. After 3+ yrs & don't know how many rounds of "clays" + pheasants,ducks & even quail---Clean It Lube It Shoot It!!
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Hello "ranahan"
I don't own a Baikal, but I know people who do. Generally they are a little lower down on the scale than the Turkish imports but are serviceable "field" shotguns. If it was build some years ago -- especially in the Tula armory -- I suspect that it will out last your lifetime (look for a triangle with an inscribed "T" on the breach of the barrels).
A shotgun -- especially an O/U must fit "YOU" like a glove more than any other firearm. That's the primary reason that I still use old Damascus barreled Meriden's and American Gun Company's that I load black powder shotshells for --- they fit correctly and I have instant barrel selection by simply moving my finger forward or backwards. My favorite O/U is a Savage 444 --- about as plain a "field" gun as you can get. But it comes to my shoulder like lightening and when it settles --- all I see is rear bead. She doesn't have screw-in tubes but I can handle anything from snipe to coastal marsh hogs with her by proper selection of shotshell loadings and I am not afraid to take her anywhere for fear of scractching or otherwise dinging the wood.
With no "high-volume" shooting --- just some hunting and the occassional round of clays, I would not have any hesitation about the Baikal, except that I don't like extractors.
If I can be of any addition assistance, don't hesitate to give me a shout.
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I DO NOT OWN A RUSSIAN O/U, BUT SOME SHOOTER/HUNTERS I KNOW DO. THEY HAVE NOT HAD ANY GREAT PROBLEMS WITH THEIR SHOTGUNS. ONE HAD TO HAVE ONE OF THE BARRELS ROUNDED AND ANOTHER HAD TO WORK ON THE STOCK BECAUSE IT HAD A LEFTHAND CAST (OR CANT?). I DO NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT EVERYTIME YOU CLOSE THE ACTION IT GOES ON SAFE. THIS IS DISTRACTING WHEN SHOOTING TRAP. FOR THE PRICE THEY SEEM TO BE VERY GOOD. 0 -
I have a 20 ga. Russian made O/U that is just 2 years old. Colonial Arms makes choke tubes, at a reasonable price. Mine wants to rust where the barrels are joined, and requires attention to keep this under control. I do not like the barrel selector method, but that is somthing that can be worked around. I used it as a training gun for my sons to shoot. I have not had any problems, except the rust thing, with the gun.
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LannyFP:
This gun doesn't have choke tubes but I'll check out the other points you mentioned. The shop owner's son said he hunted ducks with it last year and remembered it ejecting the cases but we couldn't get it to pop on openning after pulling the trigger, so if it does then someone foolled with the setting. I'll check for a screw like you discribe. Push the trigger forward for barrel selection???
Now that's a strange one. I'll look into that too.
Does "Colonial" have a web site? Does Baikal or their US importer have a web site?
Thanks.
AdamsQuailHunter:
I don't remember a proof mark but the triangle T you discribe sounds familliar. 'Could have seen it on this gun or some others. I'll check that out. I'm hoping my trap shooting friend will help me fit whatever gun I get. He's taught me a lot about it already and I can do a little stock work.
My computer crashed and I lost your e-mail address along with all my other adresses. Please send me an e-mail to rtaylor3@flash.net as I'd like to have it again.
Thanks for the helpfull info. everyone and more is invited.
ranahan
Edited by - RANAHAN on 10/08/2002 11:51:14
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Colonial Arms:
http://www.colonialarms.com/
Sounds crazy but yep pushing the trigger forward changes barrel selection. But you have to do it each time you close the gun, if you want a barrel other than (lower?) first.
I dislike auto safetys.
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