what is this old rifle?
I am trying to identify this single shot, bolt action rifle for my uncle, also get some kind of a value on it. it is marked:
L & M No.43
patented Oct.30 1900 and Aug. 9, 1910
"plymouth mounting "
The closest that I have come (having seen only the pictures) is maybe some kind of a deviation of a Winchester model 1902, possibly a gallery or training rifle of some kind. Any help on identifying it, value & history would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan
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(any help posting pictures would be appreciated)
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Edited by - searcher5 on 09/24/2002 10:55:23
L & M No.43
patented Oct.30 1900 and Aug. 9, 1910
"plymouth mounting "
The closest that I have come (having seen only the pictures) is maybe some kind of a deviation of a Winchester model 1902, possibly a gallery or training rifle of some kind. Any help on identifying it, value & history would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan
To view pictures, please cut and paste address to your location bar.
(any help posting pictures would be appreciated)
http:www.geocities.com/danielsdoll/baker.jpg
http:www.geocities.com/danielsdoll/baker2.jpg
Edited by - searcher5 on 09/24/2002 10:55:23
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Can you post a picture? Your link doesn't work for me. 0 -
The linked page is not available.
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Sorry, guys. Having trouble posting pictures, but if you cut & paste the address to the location bar, it will take you to the pictures. Dan 0 -
That works, it is going to take more books than I have here to find that one.
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Falling of the board-thought I'd give you guys onee more chance to solve this one before I throw on the towel-Thanks, Dan'l 0 -
Your rifle looks identical in every way to a model 1902 EXCEPT yours has no cocking piece at the end of the bolt. In my opinion it is a 1902 varient. The 1900 and the improved 1902 did not have serial numbers. They were designed by John Browning, and were Winchesters first attempt at the low priced rifle field. I dont know anything about collectibility today, Im just quoting my source material. If it isn't a 1902 it is damn close. 0 -
I showed the picture to My old friend that was a gunsmith/dealer (now retired) He says it looks like a "Cigarette Rifle" being dumb, I asked, He says back at the turn of the century, (1900) tobacco companies had coupons in their products and these coupons could be redeemed for guns, most were cheap "Boys" type rifles made here and in Belgium, he says the ones made here were made by Hopkins and Allen and other companys but the quality was so poor, the companys did not put their name on them, just the tobacco company that gave away the coupons. 0 -
A quick search of the 'net shows that there was indeed an L&M tobacco company. Looks like the guy was right. Still looks like a 1902 clone. 0 -
Thanks. Sounds about right to me, as the quality doesn't appear to be real good. I guess value would be whatever a collector of such things might give you. Thanks again. I knew someone could shed some light on this. Dan'l 0 -
Liggett and Myers Tobacco Co. Still around I think. There are folks that collect boys rifles, particularly the Stevens favorite in all its variations. Likely someone will be interested in this one. 0
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