AR-15's Bushmaster? Colt? Rockriver? DPMS?
There's more AR-15's Than Cell Phone Company's?
Which Manufacturers are best for the tactical AR-15's
How about kits? Scopes on the handle or not? Pre? Post?
Appreciate it..
Manforallseasons
Edited by - manforallseasons on 09/09/2002 23:20:14
Which Manufacturers are best for the tactical AR-15's
How about kits? Scopes on the handle or not? Pre? Post?
Appreciate it..
Manforallseasons
Edited by - manforallseasons on 09/09/2002 23:20:14
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I have an Olympic Arms and I love it. Have shot the Colt and the Bushmaster both are really good guns. I think Colts cost more because of name recognition not because they are any better. So my opinion? Oly just because I own one and have a good time with it!! 0 -
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I got a Colt 223,never had any trouble.I have also shot a Bushmaster and it seemed just as well made.One of my mechanics has one he pieced together from gunshow parts and it shoots ok also,but not as accurate.The finish on his part gun also dosn't match from piece to piece.I don't believe ammo is expensive in this cal(223),also quality hicap mags are easier to find than the other cals.CW
1.A near miss is still a miss!
2.Before I got married I spent half my money on women and guns,THE REST I WASTED!
3.Wasn't me!
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You got a lot of good advice above.
Confused by the number of manufacturers? Wait until you see that every manufacturer offers at least 10 kinds of barrels, sights, triggers, etc.
I'd avoid parts guns and kits; too many things can go wrong. Buy a brand name rifle that's new-in-the-box. (Save the box and all materials packed in it.) Don't waste your money on junk accessories that make it look like it was used by a SWAT team. Take good care of it, and it will last many years and increase in value.
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I agree with nmyers. Wait until you want to take up gun assembly as a hobby. Buy a quality AR now, take care of it and it will be a decent investment and a enjoyable shooter. I have a Bushmaster and a pre-ban Colt. I'm no gun expert (I usually ask questions here!) but I do know a little about machined products. The Bushmaster is A-1 when it comes to fit and finish. Unfortunately I have never shot mine and probably never will. It's a limited 20th anniversary model. No, not destioned to be a collectors item, but my son someday might have something that's worth a bit more than I paid. My Colt is an excellent piece and shoots better than I. As someone else said, you probably pay a little more for the Colt name.
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as for 223 or 9mm
go here and read up on 223 ammo I think that will help you make up your mind
http://www.ammo-oracle.com/
it take some time to load but it is quite comperhensive
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Colt has name recognition and a pedigree. The Bushmaster and Rock River should measure up for less dollars. I traded a Colt heavy target barrel for a full match Bushmaster Service Rifle. I've never regreted the trade. I've cleaned rapid sitting with it several times and can shoot mid nineties in slow fire....that's good enough for most people. If you have the money you can buy the Colt and never look back....If you buy the Bushmaster or Rock River you can take the extra money and buy a lot of ammo to shoot....your choice. Also DPMS makes an exceptional match AR-15 for not a lot of money. I might have bought it had I know their quality when I got The Bushmaster. But no complaints. Beach 0 -
Lots of good advice from our experts here. Once again I have to fall in line with Neal Myers: If you are confused now, wait until you've started shopping around for parts and accessories! I'm a Colt law enforcement dealer so I'm forced to be a champion for the "horsey" and for tactical use, which you say is your interest, it is the proven brand and used by the majority of law enforcement agencies across the United States. If you can afford to pay for the name, you will not be disappointed in the performance of any Colt tactical rifle as it comes with nearly forty years of manufacturing experience.
Now that I've finished my Colt authorized dealer sales pitch, I'll tell you what I use for my own use; BUSHMASTER. I find the fit and finish on the Bushmaster rifles to be every bit as good the Hartford made guns and at a lower price. Back in the pre ban days here in California I sold five times more Bushmasters than any of the other brands, Colt included. Olympic Arms rifles are top quality too, but their finish is not as attractive as the Bushmaster or Colt. This is my opinion only and it has NOTHING to do with the rifles performance.
As for the 9mm rifles. There were 9mm Colt AR-15 rifles (stock #R6450)
available briefly for sale to the public in the mid 1980's. These rifles had a special block inserted into the magazine well and more or less permanently attached. It was done with three pins and I suppose it could be removed but it would be pointless. Thses Colt 9mm carbines are now very expensive and sell at a premium. Unrestricted magazines are also around $100 and up so keep that in mind. I have a law enforcement sales 9mm carbine and it functions perfectly and is great fun to shoot, especially on police indoor ranges. It is
accurate enough for its intended purpose, but usless for anything else!
Over the years there have been many attemps to develope a reliable detachable block which can be quickly inserted and removed from an AR-15 to convert it from .223 to 9mm. Most of these attempts all failed as most tried to use clamps or set screws and could not be adjusted properly in the field to function reliably. You'd also need a 9mm dedicated upper ($400+) and a new 9mm bolt carrier assembly ($250). Olympic Arms is supposed to be making a conversion upper of some sort but I don't know anything about it. What is your actual need for a 9mm carbine? It is really no chaeper to shoot, not nearly as accurate as the .223, and generaly uses very expensive magazines.
If you purchase any accessory I'd suggest a .22 conversion unit from J.Aurther Ciener. These are great fun to shoot, reliable, and will save you all kinds of money. Cops love to blast away with my AR-15's
equiped with these kits and it is SO CHEAP I can really let them play!
Buy a rifle first and then we'll talk about uppers!
"Trust me, I know what I'm doing"
Mark T. Christian
Edited by - mark christian on 09/09/2002 21:45:14
Edited by - mark christian on 09/09/2002 22:16:330 -
Take a look at the Armalite Line. I am very pleased with the accuracy and reliability of mine.
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You might also check out www.dalphon.com They are a small company and have been making AR pistol calibur conversions longer than anyone except maybe Colt.
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I'd cast 3 votes:
1. My DPMS Lo-Pro bull barrel shoots 69 grain Sierra BTHPs into .625 and 60 grain Nosler partitions into .750 at 100 yards at the same point of impact; once I figured out how to load for its' VERY tight chamber, and threw away the cheap plastic mags that came with it, it's been a great performer.
2. My parts gun RRA A2 (upper and lower bought separately at different times from different sources, about $ 590 total)shoots everything into 1" at 50 yards with open sights, and I can't see THAT WELL! It is also a great performer.
3. My Frankenrifle is a Colt 7.62 upper on a Cav 15 lower; it shoots 150 grain Sierras into 1 1/2 inches at 100 yards and is going deer hunting in Texas with me in November. With surplus ammo, the 7.62 option is cheaper than either .223 or 9mm.
They're all good.
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