MagSafe vs. Glaser
Does anyone have a preference or comment comparing MagSafe against Glaser in 45ACP or 10MM ?
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From pictures of gelatin tests I've seen, the Glaser penetrates about 5in then produces a large strech cavity with no further penetration. The Magsafe produces a smaller cavity then breaks into 5 or 6 pieces that penetrate in a cone pattern about 6in beyond. 0 -
Oneshy is right but the seem to be very effective for their cause,there made not to over penetrate,and to bust into fragaments.
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Kinda like the old Ford vs Chevy question. Both are designed for maximum energy transfer with minimum penetration. The round nose design of the Glaser seems to help in the chambering of some guns that like FMJ bullets. Either one is subject to giving less than expected performance if the recipient is wearing heavy (leather or down filled) winter clothing. You may also find that your point of aim has been altered considerably by the very light bullet.
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So Punchie,
Heavy clothing can truly be a potential problem? Is it conceivable that there would be no penetration whatsoever if someone was wearing a heavy coat? Not a good thing if relying on the load for self defense.0 -
Buy a box of the ammo in question. Go to the Salvation Army Store and buy their heaviest winter coat, cost $5. Take them out to the range and give it a try. Compare it against ball ammo. Then fold the coat double to simulate a heavy coat with sweater and sweatshirt.
"Not as deep as a well, or as wide as a church door, but it is enough."0 -
The lack of penetration from these rounds is a serious problem. While the damage these might do up close could be sufficient, prove for yourself what will happen in a gunfight. Go to the mirror with a gun and do a Weaver stance. Chances are you'll see that your center mass is covered by two hands/arms and a gun. Now imagine a Glaser/Magsafe going through that before hitting a heavy coat much less the perp's vitals.
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According to police reports no one has ever survived a Torso hit from a Glaser. Some of these must have happened during the winter. JMO. Here's a site I just found www.safetyslug.com
Edited by - oneshy on 09/04/2002 12:26:390 -
The question is whether they will go through one or more bones before striking the torso. A heavy coat is not a real problem for penetration, only expansion which would not be an issue for a frangible.
The reason I brought up the hands/gun is that this is likely to be encountered. People forget that the human body can present many obstacles to a bullet; ie in the infamous FBI-Miami shootout. I'd much rather stoke my .45 with Hydra-Shoks or Gold Dots that can do the job than rely on a bullet that won't end the fight quickly if something blocks its path.
The perp in the Miami shootout didn't survive too. But he didn't stop killing right away either.
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Good point well taken. Here ya go www.firearmstactical.com Didn't come up the way I wanted it to. Look for tactical brief no.5.
Edited by - oneshy on 09/04/2002 12:36:280 -
Maybe the answer is stacking ammo in the magazine.
A double-tap consisting of a frangible cartridge followed by a hollowpoint or ball slug. Or vice-versa.
Actually what I keep by the nightstand is a 45ACP with MagSafe Swat loads alternating with Winchester Supreme Hollowpoints. Perhaps it's unnecessary but I figured if I had to shoot through a door the Winchester's would do that part. It's just my wife and I so I don't worry about kids moving about. We live about 45 miles from the nearest town in Colorado's back country and the local sheriff said we're pretty much on our own for personal protection since one deputy covers about 1200 square miles. So response time can be 30 min. to 2 hours or not at all if there's a lot of snow.0 -
The Glaser site says they have tested this slug extensively shooting through heavy wool coats and even mattresses and it worked fine. But, if it struck the guy's forearm first it seems that would reduce or disable its ability to inflict fatal wound on the thorax. Of course, you would have a one-armed bad guy.
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I can see keeping a Glaser/MagSafe "in the pipe" for home defense or even double tapping (the perp's mitts dropping after the first strike to allow the second Glaser to finish the job), but I like the .45 because it can end the fight most of the time with one well-placed HP. The sooner you end the assault the better.
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