HK USP .45 vs. SIG P220?
I am willing to give Sig the benefit of the doubt and consider I just got a bada one last time but I love the looks of that HK.I want theone more worth the money if I will be dropping that kind of coin.Which of the 2 is the better quality firearm and the most consistently accurate and reliable?
Eric S. Williams
Eric S. Williams
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Ah yes, the age old debate is "A" a Better gun than "B"......I own a HK USP Compact in .45ACP and Love the thing! So yeah, I'm gonna say get the HK- there's a reason the Special Operations community accepted them. Flip side of the coin is that a buddy of mine owns a P229 and wouldn't trade it for 2 HK's- Again there's a reason that the US Army Military Police Investigator's get to carry them.
Go to a rental range if you can- rent both, shoot 'em side by side, go with what you are most comfortable with and whatever shoots the best for you. Short of that, go to the gunshop, and handle them, again, side-by-side. Eventually I think the decision will jump out at you, a particular feature or ergonomic "fit".
Good luck and I hope for your sake you don't go home with both at once- I did that one time with two S&W Revolvers- My far superior and better half was NOT pleased.
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In my opinion Both guns are very credible.I would go with the HK simply because of a slightley greater Mag Capacity.
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Rugster
Tou Jours Pret0 -
I have both, and find the H-K to be superior for several reasons.
First, the recoil is a LOT less on the H-K. (For some reason, the felt recoil on the SIG seems greater than any other .45ACP pistol to me.)
Second, as mentioned, the H-K magazine capacity is greater. (There are even unrestricted 12-round magazines available.)
Third, the H-K has a safety. While H-K should just ship it with the ambidextrous safety in place, one can be easily added. The ability to carry "cocked and locked," hammer down with safety on, or hammer down with safety off is a huge advantage for the H-K in my opinion. Of course, if you desire one of the other eight modes of safety/function (DAO, etc.) available on the H-K, it can be easily converted.
Fourth, the H-K has an accessory rail if you like to add accessories designed for the rail.
However, despite all the above, you should, as suggested, shoot both and see which one works better for you. In my case, the H-K wins hands down.0 -
Well I know the HK has a great rep and surely must be a great gun. However I picked one up and it just left me cold for some reason. If I thought that changing variants was a simple straightforward routine I might have bought one. I have been shooting a P220 for some time and it's very good. I recently got a P220ST and it's the tightest commercial 45 I've ever handled. I have Hogue finger groove grips on the standard model and recoil is not an issue. The heavier P220ST sucks up recoil even better.
Having more rounds is nice, but I don't feel underarmed with eight .45s
Three Precious Metals: Gold, silver and lead0 -
I have both the 220 and the HK, and I prefer the HK. The feel is better to me and the recoil seems less.
It is a matter of personal preference, however I feel the HK will probably provide a longer servicable life, even though you will probably never shoot out the Sig.
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mballai, changing variants on the H-K is very simple. Just remove the old parts and replace them with the new parts for the variant to which you are changing. If one does not feel comfortable doing it, H-K will do it for a nominal fee.
I too feel well armed with 8 rounds of .45, but I feel better armed with 62.5% more rounds at 13!
I am glad to see rsnyder55 agree with me on the recoil difference. I did not think I was the only one who felt that way. To me, the difference is VERY pronounced. Maybe there really is something to the "alleged" recoil reduction mechanism of the H-K.0 -
I couldn't get a straight answer about the variants when I looked at the gun. Maybe HK doesn't really help educate their dealers--something that would be necessary with a USP. I never had the same issue regarding questions with any other gun I've ever looked at. Ultimately for me it boiled down to having a variant for cocked and locked, something I already had on my 1911. Admittedly getting that gun into order was much more work, but the c&l operation mode was standard issue.
If I was using the gun for law enforcement, the extra rounds would be an advantage. I just know I don't need that many in a one bedroom apartment.
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mballai, if you wanted "cocked and locked," the standard H-K USP Variant 1 has that capability. Just cock the hammer and apply the safefy. It works exactly like a M1911 in that mode, with the added ability of use the control lever to lower the hammer without pulling the trigger. With the V1, the pistol can also be carried hammer down and safety off or on(traditional double-action).
As far as rounds available, isn't it better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them? Was it Jeff Cooper who said that you only need lots of rounds if you plan to miss a lot. Well, I do not plan to miss a lot, but what if I do?) Having too many rounds available is sort of like having too much money. There may be a case for either, but I cannot think what it might be.0 -
JudgeColt that was beautiful!
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quality debate on the two is mute. Whichever one fits you best, is the one to buy. Try them both, shoot them if you can, and then decide. Both are incredible guns.
A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.0
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