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REM700PSS Stock Crack - Update

altos
From a week ago or so, an update on the cracked PSS stock;
Remington said take it to the nearest Remington repair shop for
verification, avoiding the shipping/receiving/transition time of the bad stock so that things would go faster. I agreed as that is what I suggested up front.

I took it to Imbert and Smithers in San Carlos, CA. Analysis took 1.237 seconds. Maybe. Multiple cracks from the screw at the front of the trap door. The gunsmith was on the phone to Remington immediately, ordering an expedited, no-cost warranty shipment. He knew the name of the customer service rep I had talked to and was expecting me when I walked in the door. The gunsmith looked at the rifle and said "I am going to make this perfect". I think he meant it.

Sidenote: this is the second PSS I+S has found with cracks...

So, it's been a bit frustrating. Not a perfect world. However, Remington seems to be responding very well working with Imbert and Smithers. And the folks at that shop, including the gunsmith, don't screw around. Nice to know that customer service is still alive !

enjoy,
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  • bullelk
    altos,

    All companies make mistakes. I knew Remington would make good on it. No large company like Remington is going to give their customer a hard time in a situation like that. They don't want any bad publicity.

    Good luck with your new stock.

    Now, for crying out loud, cut down on those handloads or next time you'll blow the bolt out of it.


    "If All Else Fails, Read The Directions"
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  • altos
    aye, aye, bullelk ! I will no longer load
    with a snow shovel and jsck hammer. That's it !!!
    One or the other, but no both.

    Actually, I want to get into handloading some
    day and was told the .223 was a good starting point.
    Hence, this PSS is in .223.

    And, yes, I think this will all turn out ok. While
    the rifle hasn't been fired yet there sure were a
    lot of people interested in it when I opened the box.
    Good for my fragile ego, I suppose. There is even a
    somewhat odd rumor that the 700P/PSS is being discontiued
    due to accuracy. I don't believe it for a second and think
    it's just secondary heresay, probably vaguely linked to them no
    longer calling it PSS for PC reasons. The first comment is always "that must weigh a ton". I think the all-black just
    makes it look very large, athough it is a bit porky for a long trek.

    enjoy !
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  • JustC
    There has been a rumor for years that they were going to stop production on bull barreled rifles, especially in .223 and .308 due to the fact that these are sniper rifles. What ever logic was used there, I can't fathom it. It was simply because those are 2 of the most widely used calibers for gov't and LEO tactical operators, that the rifles and calibers must surely make them sniper rifles for people who want to climb the bell tower and start poppinp inocent victims. You can however, see how far they got with it, nowhere!

    I expect to see the PSS around for quite a while. The only thing I don't understand is why they added one more sling swivel and called it a PSS instead of just adding another sling swivel to the 700 VS models, as the actions, stocks, triggers etc are the exact same. Best of luck, and let us know how you group with her, I know my 700 in variuos bull barreled configurations are superb shooters.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • Nighthawk
    Im glad it worked out good for you.Remington usually is good about standing behind their products.I wonder if they didnt have a bad batch of synthetic? I have heard of a few cracking especially under cold conditions!

    Best!!

    Rugster
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  • altos
    JustC,

    The 3rd swivel is intended for a bipod while retaining the other two swivels as is. Also, the stock itself is an HS/synthetic that is one heck of an expensive part to replace. Part of the issue with replacing my stock is that the P version stock costs $394. U.S. dollars. Not Canadian or Hong Kong. Whew ! Glad it is under warranty. Remington originally stated that one of the issues with a simple swap/swap of mine what the the cost of the Police version stock was more than could be authorized without inspection, therefore, all Police versions required a send-back. Actually, the first customer services rep quoted the stock as a $400 part, but she was probably rounding.

    And, yes, the 700VS rifles are very, very nice. That is what I was going to get and almost did. I could not find a local dealer with 700VS inventory available in the next decade for under $780.00. One was $730, place seemed sleazy, and had a "we'll get back to you when it eventually arrives" inventory. Ahhhh.... then there was one who had a PSS for $649.00. I figured, what the heck, it actually costs less than the VS and (in theory) had a "better" but heavier stock. I don't think the seller had the vaguest idea about the crack (and was, therefore, discounting). At that price, it was compelling, and it looks like it's starting to work out fine.

    Thanks for the reply !
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  • altos
    RUGSTER,

    From the looks of cracks it appears to be a simple case of excessive torque applied to the three trigger guard/trap door screws. The cracks originate at the screw holes and the stock is so robust that you would likely not notice it suddenly as the stock material appears very strong. But enough torque on hard material yields ? My guess; a simple assembly error. It's a porky rifle though... porky barrel, porky stock...

    Thanks !
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  • JustC
    Don't you just love the big companies, they sell you a stock, or quote a price of it, for $400, and you can get it out of wholesale cataloges for $289.

    Try Weatherby, they told me $450 for the composite accumark stock, and you can buy it from Bell and carleson (who by the way, makes it) for around the same as the HS stock in the cataloges. SHEEEEESH!!!

    Happy shooting.




    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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  • Educator
    JustC,
    Right now the biggest difference between the PSS and the VS is the safety. The VS comes with that keyed safety and the PSS doesn't.

    "When in doubt...whip it out!"
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  • altos
    You are correct, the "J slot" key is not on the PSS. Although
    the Remington manuals state that "all" new 700 versions now
    have the "j slot" as the second safety, the Police versions do not.

    Obviously, the stock is quite a bit different, both in the feel and look, but especially in feel. The new Police version does not come with a detachable box magazine variant (that I have seen). I believe they used to but may have been discontinued. Also, the finish is uniformely black. The newer .223's ship with 1-in-9 twist to accomodate heavier bullets. I would assume... the .223 VS's do to, but don't know that for sure.

    Thanks !
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  • JustC
    That new safety is BS!!!!! The more moving parts you add to a bolt, the accuracy will suffer. I am currently looking for a 700 VSSF in 220 swift NIB if possible, WITHOUT THE KEY. If you guys have seen one, will you let me know where it is and how much. thanks.

    A great rifle with a junk scope,....is junk.
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