shipping pistols

ericthered

July 11, 2002 17:33

Is there any difference in the law for shipping a pistol rather
than a rifle to a buyer. I know how to ship a rifle to FFL dealer.
Eric

thats'me

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  ericthered

  July 11, 2002 17:33

  What are the ATF Federal Laws requiring some one to ship a pistol? I have been hearing USPS will do it, It doesn't have to go next day or air just ship ground. I also understand FedEx, UPS will ship but only next day.. Also, can I collect my FFL transfer fees from the buyer if stated in the auction description?

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  The Law

  July 11, 2002 17:40

  ...USPS requires it be sent from an FFL holder...UPS requires overnight delivery...
  
  "Don't mistake my honesty for weakness...If I think your phony...I'll flame you in a heartbeat"...

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  nmyers

  July 12, 2002 05:28

  The Pig is correct.
  
  Both UPS and FEDEX require that handguns be shipped next day air, even if it is neither next day nor air.
  
  FEDEX additionally requires that all firearms be "disabled"; that definition depends upon the type of firearm.
  
  Federal law requires that you inform the carrier that your package contains a firearm.
  
  There is one thing I haven't been able to figure out: Is a C&R holder considered a licensee or a nonlicensee in regard to shipping C&R handguns through USPS?
  
  Neal

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  Herschel

  July 12, 2002 06:03

  Neal,
  
  I believe the form 1508, I believe that is the number, that the Post Office requires dealers to complete says that the addressee is a manufacturere, dealer or gunsmith. I am not sure of the wording but C & R license holder is not mentioned.
  Herschel

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  gunner@nwinet.com

  July 12, 2002 07:23

  USPS Form 1508 states in it's heading:
  
  "This form can only be used by manufacturers or dealers of firearms."
  
  Gunner

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  verne787

  July 12, 2002 17:44

  I am not an FFL. I have shipped handguns twice this year to FFL's in other states(I am in Florida) thru the US Post office. I boxed them up,
  told the post office clerk it was a handgun and showed her the FFL it was being sent to. She made a copy of the FFL and asked me how I wanted it sent. I choose Priority mail and she said it would be there in about two days. Cost about $20 including insurance. My understanding is that you must ship to an FFL but you do not have to be one.

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  nmyers

  July 12, 2002 18:43

  Verne, an honest mistake by a postal clerk, but still a violation of federal law that could have caused problems for you.
  
  According to the Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide (ATF P5300.4) page 136:
  
  "(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?
  
  A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun."
  
  Could you have been arrested for this? Most definitely. BATF's de facto motto is: "Arrest now, litigate later." Don't press your luck by trying it again.
  
  Neal

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  verne787

  July 13, 2002 00:51

  WOW! I even called the PO before I did this and was told
  it was OK, just "disassemble" if possible.
  Thanks for quoting the source, I can't find it.

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