USAS - 12
Heyas, A friend of mine has a registered Pre ban USAS-12 with 2 20 rnd drums and 2 17 rnd Clips. It has an 18.1 inch barrel and has never been fired. Does anyone know what this gun would sell for? He doesn't have a PC so I'm posting for him. I've searched around a bit and haven't been able to find 1 USAS for sale anywhere. He paid $1200 for it back in 94. Any help would be appreciated. TIA
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Thanks for the info. I'm not buying the USAS though he wants to sell it. He just wasn't sure how much to ask for it. Now he needs to figure out how to go about actually selling it legally...we live in Philadelphia and I know that there are restrictions selling and transfering this type of weapon that are specific to philly. Unfortunately, my head exploded after 20 minutes of reading the gun laws for philly..... I TOLD him he should've gotten a good dog instead....;-p 0 -
The "clips" are 10-round, not 17-round, MAGAZINES. The USAS does not use clips. The guns are rare, but the demand is also limited due to restrictions in some places. However, under most state laws, they are still just a shotgun. The two drums add greatly to the value. The owner might want to auction one drum separately.Is the shotgun in question made by Gilbert or International Ordnance? Gilberts are worth a bit more. 0 -
he has 2 17 round magazines. I'm not into guns so you can call em whatever but they hold 17 rounds. The gun is made by Inter Ord 0 -
I have been familiar with these shotguns since their development began as the Atchison (not sure of spelling because my file is at my office and I am not) in the 1970s using an AR-10 as the base. I have literature printed during their development and since they were introduced. I have one of these shotguns with both stick and drum magazines. I have never seen or heard of a 17-round magazine. Now that I think about it, a 17-round stick magazine makes those silly 20-round drums seem unnecessary for only three rounds more. Since my 10-round stick magazines measure over 10-inches long, that would make a 17-rounder, what, about 18-inches long? Wow, that must be a wicked looking thing to see with that leg sticking out the bottom! Just think of the size of the pouch that would hold two of those babies! That is probably why only two of these special 17-round magazines were ever made.The owner with these unique, one-of-a-kind (or, in this case, apparently two-of-a-kind) 17-round magazines may have magazines worth more than the shotgun. The owner should definitely sell these ultra rare magazines separately. Why not post a picture of these super rare magazines for all to see? 0 -
I have a better idea..how about you take that gunbarrel outta your ass and relax a bit. As previously stated I'm not into guns I'm just posting what I was told. He says they hold 17 rounds so thats what I posted. Either way I could care less. So you can shove the attitude. 0 -
It's funny how folks that are "into" guns seem to be a whole lot nicer... not to mention eager to share knowledge.Fitz 0 -
My, my. I wonder who has the attitude? When someone posts something on this board that is incorrect, there is usually someone who has the first-hand knowledge to correct the error. However, when someone then comes back with the same outrageous misinformation and refused to acknowledge the error, the next correction has to be a little more forceful. If someone is "not into guns," and comes here for advice, it seems logical to defer to those who are offering that advice. Logic alone says that a 12-guage shell that is about one inch in diameter will take up about one inch in a magazine. Seventeen one-inch shells will therefore take about seventeen inches, plus some added length for the spring and end, etc.. While the poster may have been told the USAS stick magazines hold seventeen rounds, they do not, and logic says such a magazine would be highly impractical. The first time was an error by someone "not into guns," but to repeat the error the second time was foolish.I am at my office this morning and have checked my file on this shotgun. Maxwell Atchisson began developing his "Assault 12" shotgun in the 1970s. His firm in Marietta, Georgia was called Spectre, Inc.. He took deposits on the shotgun, but never delivered. The design bounced around until Daewoo of South Korea developed it into what we now know as the USAS-12, the Universal Sporting Automatic Shotgun.Daewoo made the shotguns and Gilbert Equipment of Atlanta, Georgia imported them until the Bush41 import ban in 1989. International Ordnance picked up the design and made them here in the United States until they were reclassified as Destructive Devices on February 28, 1994. RAMO sold them for a while to law enforcement, but is now selling just parts kits and there will be no more. A sad end to one of the neatest firearms ever. If an "attitude" is inferred from the above, I apologize in advance. 0 -
Steve_D, the Judge's info is 100% correct. He was only trying to give you the most accurate intell available, which includes correcting the magazine capacity that you mentioned (which was wrong). Do not assume that someone is giving attitude, when they are merely correcting wrong information with right information.As for the value, it is truly "what the market will bare". The drums range from $350-700 all by themselves. As for the stick magazines they run $60-75 each. The gun normally came with just one 10 round magazine. So anything above that is extra. To the right person, willing to do all the paperwork and has the money to spend, this package is a $2000-$2700 piece, maybe more depending on the buyer. There aren't that many of these out there. If someone really wants one, they should be expecting to pay for it.Steve_D, you are new here. When you ask a legitmate question, you'll get some good answers from some of the experts. But if you don't know good answers from bad, don't come back with an attitude of your own. JudgeColt is one of our more respected experts, I've never known him to give any bad advice or info. He is like me, if I don't know the answer, I won't post a comment to begin with. If there are any other questions we can help with, feel free to ask, LRARMSX. 0 -
relax people.....He's just the messenger, remember...don't shoot the messenger...Steve.... I would have gotten defensive too if someone responeded with "The owner should definitely sell these ultra rare magazines separately. Why not post a picture of these super rare magazines for all to see?"....In my mind that too is coping an attitude... 0 -
Apparently my attempt to use the Socratic Method to try to get the poster to see the absurdity of his statement failed on him and on Kadaver. If it was offensive rather than humorous, I apologize.During the time I have been enjoying these boards, there have been things that people say they have that, to my knowledge, do not exist. There have also been some new things that I have learned about for the first time. When someone comes up with something implausable, the best way to learn the truth is to see a picture. That usually clears up the misinformation, as it would in this case. If the picture showed a magazine twice as long as the standard 10-round stick magazine, it would be crow-eating time for me. I have eaten my share of crow during my life, and, when I post something on these boards, I realize a big helping may soon be coming my way if I am wrong. When that happens, I humbly eat up as a more knowledgable gun enthusiast. 0
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