What guns are these?
What gun is my son carrying in Iraq hes in the NY hat? Also whats the gun behind his hat?
Hope picture works haven't sent a picture in awhile.
http://users.penn.com/~elkrott/pic003.jpg
If it doesn't fit get a bigger hammer.
Hope picture works haven't sent a picture in awhile.
http://users.penn.com/~elkrott/pic003.jpg
If it doesn't fit get a bigger hammer.
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Im wondering if anyone can help me out with the names of any of these guns. Any sort of details would be helpful. Value,caliber, maker, age, best guesses are welcome.
Im sorry but these are the best pics i have. I haven't been able to examine them myself.
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I can't tell, but here is a picture of my son in the middle of a pile of captured AK's in May.
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Old? First you forget names; then you forget faces; then you forget to pull your zipper up; then you forget to pull your zipper down.0 -
Sure looks to be a folding stock AK47 or AK74...Hope someone can ID that big honker behind him...That's a great picture, you should be proud..[^]
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Don't want to miss lead people my son is not in military he is a civilian security contractor providing security for other civilian contractors.
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Matters not, he is still in harm's way..Plenty of civvys there who deserve our thanks..[^]
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The large gun in the background is a ZU-23 Soviet style antiaircraft gun. Since they were not capable of radar guidance they were sold in great quantities to third world militaries for use as a wheeled infantry weapon for heavy machine gun support. They are very effective against light armored vehicles.
The weapon your son is holding looks like a AKS-74U. A soviet bloc special weapons platform chambered in 5.45x39. A lot better than the AKM shortened version of the AK-47 in 7.62x39 which was extremely hard to handle on full auto. The AKM is the reason I am half deaf in my right ear. Damned commie guns. I hope all this helps.
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James
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quote:Originally posted by kuhlewulf
The large gun in the background is a ZU-23 Soviet style antiaircraft gun. Since they were not capable of radar guidance they were sold in great quantities to third world militaries for use as a wheeled infantry weapon for heavy machine gun support. They are very effective against light armored vehicles.
The weapon your son is holding looks like a AKS-74U. A soviet bloc special weapons platform chambered in 5.45x39. A lot better than the AKM shortened version of the AK-47 in 7.62x39 which was extremely hard to handle on full auto. The AKM is the reason I am half deaf in my right ear. Damned commie guns. I hope all this helps.
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James
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No offense meant kuhlewulf but I have to question your identification of the dual-purpose machine gun on the roof.
Granted the perspective is bad, and it's hard to get a good look at it. But it seems to me thats it's the little brother of the ZU-23. It appears to me it'a a KPV ( 14.5 x 114mm ) on a ZPU mount. My 2 cents?0 -
Rufe,
Very good eye. I made a hasty ID based on knowledge I haven't used in years and was wrong. You are partially correct. The individual guns are in fact KPV's in 14.5 mm. The weapons platform in total is actually a ZPU-2 or chinese type 58 anti aircraft gun. The Iraqi's had tons of these. Stupid me! I've actually sat one a captured one! Here is a picture of one.
Very similar to the ZU-23 but smaller. I hate being wrong, but don't mind being corrected, Thanks Rufe.
James
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Wish Santa would have brought me one of those..[V]..[:D]
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Some more pictures may help in identifing weapons.
http://users.penn.com/~elkrott/pic004.jpg
http://users.penn.com/~elkrott/pic010.jpg
http://users.penn.com/~elkrott/pic018.jpg
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If that is an AKS-74U it is the only example I've ever seen built on a milled receiver! If you pay close attention (you need your eyes and not your ears) you'll notice that it does not have any provision for the side folding buttstock, is not fitted with the usual expansion chamber/flash hider, and the rear sight assembly is totally incorrect. The 74U had its standard rear sight replaced with a frame mounted sight with large protective wings, adjustable with notches for 100/200 meters and 400/500 meters and the weapon is question still has the standard AK rear sight. I am going to say that your son is holding a commercial AK type post-ban pistol and not an issue military weapon. Since 1990 I've traveled through the former eastern bloc firing hundreds of AK's (always with ear protection) and I have not seen a military variant like the one your son is holding. One of the photos also shows what appears to be a post-ban Bushmaster M-15 commercial rifle fitted with the so called AK-74 muzzel brake.
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Jeez, As usual I always take fire when it comes to commie block hardware. I defer to Mr Mark Christian, and retire from the conflict with what dignity I can. Under normal circumstances Mark I always wear hearing protection. But in the case where I received my hearing loss it was not me firing the weapon, and as I was under fire at the time and the person that was firing the weapon was covering me while I ran like a girl for cover it is an acceptable sacrifice.
Tough crowd. Thanks Rufe, but I don't take things personally.[;)]
James
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My appologies to you James as I did not realize that you were under hostile fire and in harms way at the time. You are talking to an admitted coward here so I had no right to jump to conclusions and I'm sorry about your loss of hearing. Don't stop posting as we are not all as tough as you imagine (except for Capt. Kirk!)
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man o man i would love to have that pile of ak's though
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The AK that has been the focus of much of this is a milled receiver AK47 that has been cut down. The barrel has been shortened and the front sight moved to the top of the shortened gas tube. The stock has just simply been removed. It is a full-auto/select fire model. It is in 7.62X39 caliber.
It is not uncommon to find customized weapons in the Middle East. The Soviets dealt with many of them when they were in Afganistan. The locals could make something out of nothing or something different from something normally found. Combining two or more guns into one or simply fashioning something from raw materials was not unheard of.
This appears to simply be a cut-down full auto AK47 milled receiver in 7.62X39. The rear sight should have been moved back onto the top cover to re-establish a longer sight radius after the front sight was moved, but it was probably too much of a bother for the "gunsmith" to go that far. The weapon would have been shortened for better concealability, mobility, and manuverability, not accuracy. The milled receiver is easy to spot, but you have to look closer to see both the "semi" and "auto" positions for the selector. Also obviously a staged photo as the weapon is currently on "safe".
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Well taht would make sense Irarmsx because before the Iraqi's began producing their own copy of the AKM, they purchased large numbers of Romanian AI rifles which were in the older AK-47 patern with milled receivers. All of these early rifles should have been phased out years ago but chances are they are still "floating" around. Although not a military issued arm, whoever performed the modifications did it very nice and clean and it looks like a commercial job!
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