AK-47
are those ak-47's on www.impactguns.com athentic good ones or are they just those "look alikes"
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looking for a ak-47 for under $500.00.what would be a good one to get... 0 -
Either the stamped or the milled will last a lifetime, the milled tend to be a closer fit on parts and are a bit heavier. The sidefolding stocks usually are a bit sturdier IMHO. Are you looking for one with the folding bayo too? 
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If your looking for a safe queen/display....holly cow look at this evil monster... Get a Polytech Legend or AKS with under folding stock and folding spike bayo.
Now a note on folder. The under folder isn't that comfortable...and the points on the end of the but plate threaten to stab me one of these days. The side folder are suposed to be betterin comfort and they seem to have a higher value. They also have the cleaning kit hidden inside them. But in the looks department, the under folder looks meaner.
I personally like the Legend with the full stock and the orginal style bayonet that wraps around the gas block.
I actually have a Legend as described abouve and I ahve an AKS with the under folder and folding spike bayo.
Now I need the side folder model. I also like one with the other style bayo.
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Thanks for you replys. Now I need to know the difference between aks and legend. Also curious if you get one with solid butt stock. Can you change it out with a folding style or are they more permanent than that? Although Ak-47s arent known for thier accuracy, which one is more accurate? 0 -
Due to the higher strength and better tolerances of the milled receivers you will usually find them to be more accurate. That doesn't mean a crappy barrel won't cause problems though[;)] Technically if the gun didn't have the folder installed before 1994 then it can't be changed now. However, it would be hard to prove so I won't tell if you don't[:D]
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kingjoey, as long as it was classified as an assault weapon prior to the '94 ban, you can add a folding stock if you want. An assault weapon is exempt from the law prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons because it already is one. For example, you can't take a preban AK47S with a pistol grip and bayonet lug and convert it to an assault weapon by adding a folding stock. It already was an assault weapon, hence, cannot be made into one.
You can take any assault weapon made prior to the '94 ban and configure it as you wish. They cannot arrest you for manufacturing an assault weapon because you didn't. It already was one. No law would be broken.
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If you are specifically wanting a pre-ban and specifically a milled receiver, your only option is the Polytech Legend. All of the other pre-ban Ak's from Europe, Egypt, and Asia were all stamped receivers. To date, the only other milled receiver models have been from Bulgaria and those didn't start coming into the country until 1994. The Polytech Legend National Match model with the longer heavier barrel would be the choice for accuracy. The shorter models will be fine as well. Its not like the 7.62X39 cartridge will be a tack driver with whatever model you choose. Note that not all Polytechs will be milled receivers and not all the milled receiver models will be "National Match".
If pre-ban is the only option then disregard the following.
The current Bulgarian models will have the milled receiver, Steyr hammer forged barrels, spring loaded firing pins, and in general, the nicest appearance of all the AK's that have ever been offered in this country. They also make an RPK long barreled version which comes with a bipod standard. It is their most expensive at around $1000, but it is overall going to be one of the best AK's available now or in the past 20 years. I've handled the AK's from China, Hungaria, Yugoslavia, Egypt, Russia, and Bulgaria. The Bulgarians seem to be the nicest in both construction as well as fit and finish.
The Legend series from Polytech were the Cadillac of their day, don't get me wrong. They too will have the spring loaded firing pin and of course milled receiver. Not that the milled receiver is all that necessary. I know people with 35,000 plus rounds through their stamped AK's and still going strong. The Polytech Legend was offered in several configurations and all were above average in their own right. It has been over 14 years since the Polytech Legends were last imported. Their numbers were never all that great in the first place.
Beware of used ones however. I was offered one over 10 years ago that had been shot with corrosive ammo. The outside looked great. The guy told me he had put most of a case of (corrosive) ammo through the gun. I began to take a closer look at the gun and began to disassemble the weapon. As I got to the point of removing the gas tube, the guy says "Gee, I've never even had that off there!" I looked inside the tube, it was rusted and crusted so bad that I probably could have crushed it with my bare hands. The outside looked great, the inside was gone. I ended up passing on the whole thing. If that was toast, what else had been neglected?
I sold lots of Polytechs back in the day, some were the standards and some were the Legend series. I even had one of the Legends with serial number "5" at one point. All in all, nice AK, but there are several other "nice AK's" out there as well, both pre-ban and post-ban. If I knew what some of your criteria for choosing one over the other, I could be of more assistance.
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if your in the preban market you may also want to look at the yugoslavian examples [:D][:D][:D][:D]
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If you are looking for a Pre-ban AK47...then I got a great one. Been standing in my safe for nearly a year. MINT, with the original folding stock and original paper work. and hi-cap mags I think there are two...would have to look been so long. Egypt model...I mean this looks bran-spank'n new! Can send pictures.. 0 -
It sounds like you are looking for a shooter rather than a collector's piece. What everyone has said about the milled receiver models is true, a preban milled receiver will be expensive. You should also note the milled receivers are heavier than the stamped receivers. They are nice, but whether or not a milled receiver is really worth the extra money is probably debateable. I doubt you could waer either one out.
Thought I'd throw this in as an option, the lowest priced option I have found (outside of illegally modifying a post ban rifle). There is an AK that was made that is considered the bottom of the heap in preban AK's. They are the B-West AK47S rifles made in the USA. About the time the '89 ban on importing Chicom AK's came into being, the folks at B-West, who had been importing Polytech and Norinco rifles, thought they would move to make as many as they could before the ban. So they had some receivers made at a shop down the street and assembled Chicom parts sets on these receivers.
Thee were some problems. A couple, only one that would concern you. They were having the receivers made so fast, they failed to have them properly heat treated. For that reason, an AK47S with a B-West USA made receiver is the lowest priced preban AK you can find. Most AK fans will say they are worth little more than a glorified parts set, due tot he soft parts.
There is, however, a solution to this. There is a guy who used to work at B-West who will take any of these soft B-West receivers and heat treat it properly, and last I heard, he was doing it for free. He hangs around the AK47.net discussion board. To find him, do a search there for B-West and check the posts.
I bought a B-West AK47S and sent it to him for proper heat treating, added a folding stock, and had him refinish the project while he had it. Figure I have well less than $700.00 in the whole project, it's built by B-West using a Polytech parts set. The receiver and rails have now been properly heat treated and it works just as nice as any Chicom AK. This one had very few rounds through it, but even those with much use can be reworked to bring them into "spec" and properly heat treated.
If you find a B-West, tell the seller you know they were built on soft receivers, bargain them down as much as possible, then buy it and have it properly heat treated. If I was looking for another, I would do the same thing again. Some photos included at the bottom of the post here, one of them showing my Polytech "National Match" Legend with the B-West.
To finish the story of B-West, the other problem they had. During a BATF inspection, it was discovered that B-West was not building their own receivers, they were having them built by a shop down the street on a contract basis. This was a big no-no. The BATF made them stop that operation.
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The Polytech Legend is the definitive AK-47. The AK-47 started out with a stamped receiver initially, but there were some problems. They fixed it by milling a 6 pound ingot with 120 milling operations into a 2.6 pound solid receiver. They later returned to and refined the stamped receiver with a more reliable/robust example, and added an "M" suffix (M for "modern") to the model.
I have had an underfolder, a Yugoslavian and currently have the Polytech Legend with a fixed stock. I agree that the underfolder looks better. I haven't had any experience with a sidefolder. I never used mine with the stock folded anyway...especially after a wild shot went high and scared the bezezuz out of me. Fortunately, I was in an unihabited area w/o risk of hitting anyone. I prefer the control and accuracy the stock provides.
The Yugo will cost big bucks (maybe $2000+ for a NIB). It is a larger variation with very nice furniture and tritium sights (glow-in-the-dark).
I have not been impressed with the accuracy of any AK-47.
Anyway, the Polytech Legend with a fixed stock would be the most historically correct example ot the original if that is what you are looking for.0
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