HOW TO KNOW ABOUT A GUNS HISTORY
Here in Florida buying any gun pistol or rifle has always been easy, flea markets, garage sales and of course gun shows...My question is that over the years I have collected some nice guns but is there anyway I can tell if there clean...not connected to any crimes or stolen, some I have had so long I cant even remember who sold them to me...I saw a show on TV the other night where they traced a gun back to a guy who had sold it some 20 years and later it was linked to a murder and he also couldnt remember who he sold it to...later it was his ex-brother in law, who had did the killing anyway ...I think the show was the "cold case squad" after the show it got me to thinking???? any help Thanks...........................Billy
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Bill,
The only sure-fire way is to take a list of make, model, and serial number down to your local copshop and talk to the chief.
Explain to him exactly what you wrote here and ask him to have an NCIC check done.
If any do turn up hot, you will be require to make them available, but sometimes the owner is deceased or the insurance company doesn't want the hassle. At least they would be cleared off NCIC and you would not get into trouble for having a stolen weapon.
Others may tell you to lay low, but what does that REALLY accomplish?
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In a word --- no.
The only national data base of stolen guns is maintained by the Department of Justice. Federal Firearms License holders access this every time they run an Insta-check for a gun that they are selling; LEOs may query it at any time. Private citizens are not permitted to access this file.
This makes no sense to me. Software that would permit Internet queries could be developed at minimal cost. Allowing private citizens access to this information could result in the recovery of thousands of stolen guns, & possibly solve hundreds, or even thousands, of cold cases.
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Neal,
In a perfect world with perfect people, I would agree with you.
We have neither.
Hackers would delete or add numbers, worried about jail or monetary loss, jerks would sell their stolen weapons to unsuspecting buyers. Guns would end up in rivers or the ocean and never be returned to the rightful owner.
Let's instead keep it the way it is where honest citizens can get their weapons run and the dishonest go to the hoosegow.
BTW: Every time I run a NICS check, the weapon number IS NOT mentioned. The only info about the weapon disclosed is whether it is a long gun or a handgun. The check is on the buyer.
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A while back there was a web site just for this purpose. (www.isthisgunstolen.com) However, I haven't been able to access it for some time now. Anyone know if it is still out there? Emery
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nmyers, Please explain how the gun is checked if all they know is if it's a handgun or a long gun. No make,model or serial number is given.
I don't know where some of you get your information.
Are you an FFL? I don't mean to be a smart ass just like to give and get the correct advice.
If you know something I don't I apolologize.Are you maybe talking about a program that's different that the standard N.I.C.S. Buyer Background Check ?
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the owner would have filled out a stolen gun report and he would have had the box marked long gun or handgun on the record. follow me? nothing else is required. unless of course he had 40 guns stolen! in which case, if i was the p.d., i'd be talking with this guy! a simple hit would then be made as to name and type gun only. from there, the detective would make a deeper inquiry.
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Back in the old days police could access the NCIC database and could check a guns history from manufacture to the last reported transfer.
Is this sort of query still available on NCIC?
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quote:Originally posted by bobski
the owner would have filled out a stolen gun report and he would have had the box marked long gun or handgun on the record. follow me? nothing else is required. unless of course he had 40 guns stolen! in which case, if i was the p.d., i'd be talking with this guy! a simple hit would then be made as to name and type gun only. from there, the detective would make a deeper inquiry.
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What?????
Everybody get a 4473 and look at the back (the part the dealer does). You will see the info required on the weapon is simply longgun or handgun.
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Then why do the FFL's read off the serial number to the person on the phone?
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I THINK ...
the numbers are for the D.R.O.S. They want to know which gun you are buying.
CDOJ told me they do not check for stolen guns, only for potential owners who should not have guns.
If I place a gun on consignment, it sits there for 30 days while the local sheriffs run the numbers.
On a PPT, it is ten days. I do not know if the numbers are run on a PPT.
So, evidently, the state and the local municipality split the job...
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FFLs do not give serial numbers to the N.I.C.S. operator just personal info on the buyer and type of firearm ,Handgun or Long Gun.This is a background check on the buyer only, not the gun.
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ATF,Eagle Guns0 -
I'm glad that ATF cleared this up; he is absolutely correct. No, I don't have an FFL, but I read the same books that licensees do. And, like them, I sometimes make a mistake interpreting them.
The following search descriptors are required for a NICS query, according to AF P5300.4, page 94
1)Name
2)Sex
3)Race
4)DOB
5)State of residence
6)Unique numeric identifier
Neal0 -
FDLC has a stolen gun website.
Just put in the ser #.
Of course if you buy at a garage sale, pvt owner or flea market this may be after the fact that you put it in.
http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/guns_search.asp
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