U.S. REMINGTON MODEL 1903
1. model 1903 springfield rifle
2. REMINGTON manufacture
3. SER#3307231
4. R.A. 12-42 BBL
5. very nice / correct rear sights(2700 yds)
6. intact and functional magazine disconnect
7. manual cocker / safty correct and functional
9. "green" reciever / bolt
10. grey / flat finish BBL and other metal parts
the gun appears to be a `42 rebuild (wartime arsenal / depot job) with a mint / near perfect BBL retaining 100% crisp deep rifling. it has the humped forend that protects the battle sights. "3 GM-K" is cartouched into the stock 4 times on the left hand side. the safty and mag disconnect are both stamped "R" indicating REM. production. it has a 16" bayonet marked "O L" / "US" / "1943" with the correct ordance bomb proof. the obverse side has the "crossed cannons" proof. the scabbard is marked "USN MK 1". the gun is not pretty, but is a 90%++ gun in NRA FINE condition, at least.
very nice trigger pull, nice bolt action movement.
when was the reciever original made??? what is it worth??? what is the bayonet value??? is it of intrest to collectors??? any info appreciated. best regards, mike.
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2. REMINGTON manufacture
3. SER#3307231
4. R.A. 12-42 BBL
5. very nice / correct rear sights(2700 yds)
6. intact and functional magazine disconnect
7. manual cocker / safty correct and functional
9. "green" reciever / bolt
10. grey / flat finish BBL and other metal parts
the gun appears to be a `42 rebuild (wartime arsenal / depot job) with a mint / near perfect BBL retaining 100% crisp deep rifling. it has the humped forend that protects the battle sights. "3 GM-K" is cartouched into the stock 4 times on the left hand side. the safty and mag disconnect are both stamped "R" indicating REM. production. it has a 16" bayonet marked "O L" / "US" / "1943" with the correct ordance bomb proof. the obverse side has the "crossed cannons" proof. the scabbard is marked "USN MK 1". the gun is not pretty, but is a 90%++ gun in NRA FINE condition, at least.
very nice trigger pull, nice bolt action movement.
when was the reciever original made??? what is it worth??? what is the bayonet value??? is it of intrest to collectors??? any info appreciated. best regards, mike.
What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
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Remington 03's were made from November 1941 until May 1943. Based on your serial #, yours was among the last made before the switch-over to the 03A3. So, Spring 1943 is the best I can do for DOM. Most likely it was rebuilt after WWII.
It would be of interest to collectors. It was probably sold by the Civilian Marksmanship Program in the 50s or early 60s. It's difficult to estimate a value, as I haven't seen many of these; value would also be determined by the type of stock (straight, finger groove, scant, or "C"), and the muzzle wear measurement. Yours would be more desirable than the Greek 03s recently sold by DCM, since all of those have been altered from their original configuration. A ballpark figure would be $400-500.
I don't know anything about pig stickers.
Neal0 -
Your bayonet was produced by Oneida, Limited and was one of the 100,000 total that Oneida produced during 1942 and 1943 under a contract dated 24 December, 1941. Oneida produced the second lowest number of M1905 bayonets with Wilde Drop Forge's 60,000 being the rarest. Your scabbard marked U.S.N. Mark I was designed by the US Navy for use with plastic training bayonets produced in the M1905 configuration and is not correct for your bayonet. Interestingly the plastic training bayonets are quite rare since they were fragile and broke very easily. You are on your own for value estimates.
Mark T. Christian0 -
its a straight stock, no pistol grip. 2-piece forend (top) 1 piece bottom forend. rear top piece is grooved / inlet for use of sights. there is minimul BBL wear, and the muzzle / crown is near new.
i am still thinking this one over...
any opinions on addind this to my rack???
best regards, mike.
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I have a rifle and bayonet almost exactly as you describe, and about a year ago I saw the bayonet/scabbard combo listed for sale by a bayonet dealer for $350. Apparently the USN-marked scabbards alone have become collectable.
Question: What type of trigger guard/magazine floor plate does your rifle have. My specimen (Rem. '03 from same timeperiod) has the stamped 'O3-A3 version, and I thought that it was improper until I read an article written by Mike Venturino where he had added one of these rifles to his collection, and his was equipped with several items of '03-A3 furniture, like the barrel band, sling swivel, floorplate, etc. I still don't feel good about it, but had to buy the explanation that the change over from '30 to '03-A3 came gradually, whereas rifles had to be turned out continuously to meet the war need, and that the rifles produced between the two "pure" models can be found with all combinations of parts.
Neal, Mark, Mike, et.al., what are your thoughts on this[?]0 -
Bruce Canfield wrote a great article on the Remington 03/03A3 for the November 2002 American Rifleman. According to Bruce, the first A3's were delivered in December 1942, but the 03's continued to be manufactured until May 1943. So, there was at least a 6 month overlap of the two models. Examples such as Mike's & D-G's are consistent with the theory that the changeover was gradual, & that A3 parts were used when 03 parts were exhausted.
Since milled parts were readily available for many years, you will find many late rifles that were "upgraded" by having milled parts substituted for the "cheap" stamped parts. This could be the give-away that a rifle is not all-original.
Neal0 -
Heres some help on the dates
http://www.armscollectors.com/sn/usmildates.htm
The action is a 41 and with the bbl being a late 42 you might have an arsenal rework. A rework in nice shape should go for around 450 +- 50 bucks depending on the condition and area and desire of the buyer.
The bayo if bakealite gripped is worth around 200-225 min, wood gripped ones are more. Onidea commands a higher price so I might be low.
The scabbards, last I saw can still be bought for 25-60 bucks depending on the gunshow and condition.
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i have to say that all my research only reinforces what is stated above. i original had a double take / reaction at the $699.99 asking price, but there are quite a few folks out here that are interested in the gun. the only detracting fault in the gun, for me, is the poor buttplate to stock fit.
i think i will pass, the price for the gun / bayonet combo seems fair, but its a bit steep for me. i tend to buy low / cheap diamonds in the rough. thanks to all. best regards, mike.
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