SKS Question
I don't know anything about an SKS.
How do you convert a fixed mag to a detachable 30rd mag or don't you?
I'm thinking about buying an SKS to keep in the trunk of my car because they are so cheap and I already have a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 ammo.
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How do you convert a fixed mag to a detachable 30rd mag or don't you?
I'm thinking about buying an SKS to keep in the trunk of my car because they are so cheap and I already have a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 ammo.
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I'm going to buy an SKS for my Christmas present to myself.
I have a choice of an older Norinco with matching numbers or a new Yugo SKS. They each cost the same, $139. I imagine I can put a bayonet on the Norinco, but not the Yugo. This rifle will be for behind my truck seat.
Please give me the Pros and Cons on the Norinco and the Yugo.
Which would be your choice and why? Remember...Terrorist are attacking Civilians; Not the Government. Protect Yourself!
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The North China Industries SKS is no longer imported. Parts will be available about forever
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Go with the Norinco, it has a chrome plated bore that the Yugo doesn't have.
If it's going to be a truck gun, you don't want sweat not cleaning it if you fire corrosive ammo.0 -
If it is going behind the seat of your truck, why would you need a bayonet? Mine shoots fine without one.
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Well, RugerNiner, I'm going to buck the trend a little. I've got 3 Chinese Norincos (2 military configuration and 1 sporter), 1 Russian (no doubt the best) and 2 Yugos. The choice here being between the Chinese and the Yugo, I like the Yugo best. Why? Can't really say. Mine all have bayonets (except the sporter) which is nice for collecting, but otherwise useless. You have to watch the gas shutoff valve on the Yugo which is for grenade launching as they like to freeze up. But, if you get one that is operational it's easy to keep that way if you squirt a little oil in every now and then, and stay away from corrosive ammo. Really, though--what's it matter if it freezes in the position for shooting ball ammo? You (or I) probably won't be launching grenades. The bore is not chrome lined like the Norinco, but if you (again) stay away from corrosive ammo and clean your rifle after use there's no problem. Why, then, do I like the Yugo better? Both of mine just flat shoot better than the Norincos. They are more accurate. 0 -
i gotta agree with Der, my yugo seems to be more accurate than my norinco (i need a sight adjustment tool however), plus the yugo just plain feels better. I think the finish on the yugos may be a little better than the norinco's. ive never experienced any of the gas shutoff valve lock that Der has noted, and ive put quite a few rounds through mine. btw, doesnt (most) yugos have an already attached bayo? mine does[:)] 0 -
In regards to the bayonet on the two options Norinco and Yugo. The opposite is probably true. The Norinco has a high probability of being imported after November of 1990 and actually can't legally have the bayonet on it. The Yugo however is not classified the same way and actually CAN have the bayonet unless your state doesn't allow such things (IE California). The Russian, Romanian, Albanian, and Yugoslav SKS's are classified as Curios and can have their bayonets. The Chinese SKS's are not classified as such and haven't been able to legally have the bayo's on them for well over a decade.
Unlike the AK designs that had their bayonet lugs physically removed or ground down when they came in as a post ban gun, the Chinese SKS's continued coming into the country with their bayonet lugs intact for 3+ years after the law was changed and they were no longer legally able to have the bayonets on the gun. They continued shipping the guns with the bayonets in the box (in some cases) up through 1992-93. Many dealers and customers unknowingly violated the law by installing them on the guns after receiving them. Unless you can prove that your Chinese SKS came into the country before November of 1990, you can't be sure if it legal to have a bayonet on it or not.
The SKS didn't fall under the restrictions of the March 1989 Assault Weapons Ban, due in part to it not being a detachable magazine design in its normal configuration. The SKS's that were designed to take the AK mag WERE banned in 1989 along with all the AK's, UZI's, FAL's, HK's, etc. The SKS was left out of the picture at that time. It wasn't until after the 1989 ban that SKS's gained their popularity. In the mid 1980's the cost of a Norinco AK with its 3 30rd mags, bayonet and sheath, sling, cleaning kit, and oil bottle was at times only $30-50 more than the SKS with its 10rd fixed mag, sling, cleaning kit, oil bottle, and maybe a chest pouch. Given the minor amount of dollar difference most people chose the AK of course. It wasn't until the SKS prices fell that the SKS really started to catch on. The vast majority of the Chinese SKS's in this country today, came in after the ban of 1989. Their import numbers in the early years were relatively small in comparison.
After the 1989 ban took effect and the AK's were no longer available, the SKS's really started to sell. It wasn't until then that they were looked at by the gov't as a problem. Previously their sales numbers were so low and they weren't magazine fed, they really didn't care that much. As more and more came into the country and the prices went down and down, they showed up on their radar and they felt that something needed to be done. So they attached some regulations regarding the SKS and specifically its bayonet lug (folding stock accessory, detachable mag accessory, etc.) onto a totally unrelated piece of legislation and got it passed. That was a year and a half after the March 1989 ban in November of 1990. It was on or about then that the importers figured out the loophole of the thumbhole stock and shipping the AK's with 5rd mags, no lugs and no flash hiders. Hence the MAK90, "M"odified "AK" of 19"90".
Anyway, after that November 1990 regulation the Norinco SKS's could no longer come into the country with bayonets on them. They still often came along with them in their box, but not attached on the gun. It wasn't until 1993-1994 that they actually started grinding them off as they were imported. So even if a Chinese SKS has a bayonet lug, it doesn't necessarily mean it is a pre-ban.
The Russian, Romanian, Yugo, etc. are not classified the same. They are C&R rated and are allowed to have their bayonet lugs because of when and where they were made. The 1990 law only applied to the Chinese ones, primarily because many (not all, but many) of those were brand new production. In that time period you were seeing Chinese SKS's anywhere from 1960's production to 1990's production. Some of them were old unissued and others were brand spanking new, and their were used, arsenal refurbs, etc., etc. There were several incidents where the same serial number was coming in from China 2-3 times or more. They had many plants making them and their wasn't a set serial number sequence that all the factories followed. After that was found the US gov't started making the importers add extra letters after the serial numbers to distinguish one from another.
As for checking the import records to see if a particular Chinese SKS came in before or after 1990, that is nearly impossible. There were quite a few importers and no central record. So all that being said, what are the chances of someone calling you on having a bayonet on your Chinese SKS?.... Very slim, but it would be up to you to prove that it was legal and without documentation dating back into the 1980's showing you bought it then, it might be a bit tricky. Is anyone likely to give you a hassle about it? NO, but why risk it?
Anyway, yes Chinese SKS's do have chrome lined bores, but then again, almost all of the ammo out there now is non-corrosive too, so what does it matter. 15 years ago almost all the ammo WAS corrosive, now its just the opposite. One thing I would point out regarding your choice, most of the aftermarket stocks were made to fit the Norinco Chinese SKS's. They then will usually fit the Russian and Romanian ones too. The Yugoslavs do have a different receiver design that makes "drop fits" a thing of the past. They can be made to fit, but you aren't going to just drop one in like you did the Chinese, Russian, or Romanian. Also, the reason the others are allowed to have the bayonets and not the Chinese, is because they were made in the 1950's and 1960's. Some will even show that on the gun or in the serial number. Althought some of the Chinese ones were made in the 1960's too, they were also made in the 1970's, 80's, and 90's, hence not a curio or relic. As for the later SKS's that took the AK clips from the factory, they were allowed into the country post-ban because of their thumbhole or monte carlo stock designs. They did not come in with bayonet lugs. Only the pre-ban ones with the regular stocks had those and as previously mentioned, those were banned along with the AK's in 1989.
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My father, who knows a lot more about these than I do, has several (Russian, Bulgarian, Chinese and Yugoslavian). He likes them in this order for reasons unknown to me (I don't care for them): Russian, Bulgarian, Yugoslavian and Chinese. He has another kind which I can't remember, but he likes the Russians and Bulgarians the best.
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But, to answer your question, he would say Yugo.[:)]
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I have two chinese and one yugo. I like my chinese better. It seems to have less malfunctions. I'm sure either one will be fine just inspect the two rifles and get the one thats in the best condition.
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The responses here have been great for all.
I glad I got in before the lock...
Isn't it clear to you now ? You MUST buy a least two !
I have two boys though, that is my reasoning.
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