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Mauser cartridge question

Boomerang
I am attempting to come up with a list of cartridges that use the 7x57 as its base of origin. This will be used as a sub criteria for one of my collection series. So far I have the 257 Roberts, 6mm Remington, 7x57 (of course), the 8mm Mauser. Are there anymore that I am unaware of? I am pretty sure that the 6.5 Swedish Mauser is not a variant of the 7x57 Mauser. Any help with additional cartridges is greatly appreciated.

Boomer

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  • rufe-snow
    Believe your "base of origin" should start with the 8mm Mauser, ( 7.92 x 57). It predates the 7mm Mauser by at least a couple of years ( 1888 ? ).

    It was the basic case ( rim, base & body diminutions ) that most of the latter cartridges evolved from.
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  • Tailgunner1954
    6.5x55 Sweed was origionaly used in converted M-93 Spanish Mausers, also the 6.5x58 Port. Ver, 7.65x53 Arg., 6x57M, 6.5x54M, 6.5x57M, 8x51M, 9x57M and 9.3x57M are decended from the 7x57 (some directly, some via the 8x57).
    You could make a good case for the 308Win (and cartridges baised on it) as being decended from the 7x57 also.
    Some guys like a mag full of lead, I still prefer one round to the head.
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  • ern98
    Hornady lists in their 4th edition reloading manual a 6.5x57, and over the years I have dies for it.
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  • rufe-snow
    The 6.5 Swedish Military Cartridge ( 6.5 x 55 ) did not descend from the basic 8mm Mauser ( 7.92 x 57 ) German military cartridge.

    The Swedish Military designed ther own cartridge, it is dimensionly different then the other Mauser military cartridges, ( the base & rim diameters are approximately .008 larger ).

    The only way your going to get a Swead cartridge to chamber into a 6.5 Mauser, is with a 4 pound hammer.
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  • Hangfire
    I disagree with Rufe.....it would take a 6lb hammer[8D]-Bob

    [But he's right on the 8x57 as a base]

    Love them Pre-64's!!!!
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  • Iconoclast
    Boomer,

    Every derivative of the .30-06 and .308 traces its ancestry to the 7.9x57 (earliest - 1888 - version of the 7.92x57 from which the 7x57 was derived - JR v. JS). This includes the .300 Savage which was the base cartridge from which the 7.62 military round was developed (which Winchester commercialized as the .308). This encompasses not only factory cartridges but also half a million wildcats - some of which, like the .35 Whelen and .257 Roberts, eventually became factory chamberings. As implied from above, another series which might be overlooked are the .250-3000 Savage, the .22-250, etc. Of all the head designs in the history of ammunition, this one, by far, was / is used in more rounds than any other ever developed - at a guess, perhaps as much as 10% of all metallic centerfire designs in the world. You can add the .44 Automag to your list, as well; the original cases were constructed from .30-06 brass. I'm not terribly conversant with the metric variations, but there are a slew of them, also. Only the Brits failed to join the parade, although their entry (in collaboration with Belgium and Canada) in the first NATO standardization program - the .280/30 Enfield - was also based on this head. You could fill two drawers of a large cartridge cabinet with the varieties, civilian and military.
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  • Boomerang
    I stand corrected. The 8mm Mauser is the original cartridge from which all other Mauser variants originated. Thanks for all the help. Also, all I was really wanting to know are the most common, commercially loaded mauser variants still in production.

    Boomer

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  • Pinhead
    Might as well put my 2 cents worth in here. The 8x57mm is the basis for most of the modern day non-magnum cases. It has been lengthened, shortened, made larger in diameter at the base and shoulder, shoulder angle changed, but thru it all the basic case proportions remain mostly the same. As far as the 6.5X55mm Swede is concerned, the swede's did change a few things, the head is large on the 6.mm than the 7 or 8mm(being .010 thicker in rim thickness, .003 larger in rim diamter, and .007 larger in base diameter) than the 8mm. But all in all ,it still is the same basic 8X57mm with a few changes. Does all this really change anything important? No, when something gets done right the first time, people will beat a path to its door until something better comes along.
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