predator gun
I want to buy a 17 magnum for coyote and varments. But my dad says that I should maybe buy a 22-250. He also said that we should talk to some people who know what there talking about. So I came here. Anyone who knows what there saying im out for suggestions. Just if you DONT know what your talking about then DONT RESPOND!
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DAD IS RIGHT THIS TIME. STICK WITH A MINIMUM OF A .223. THE 22-250 WOULD BE AN EVEN BETTER CHOICE AND YOU WILL NEVER REGRET OWNING ONE-IT'S A VERY VERSATILE CARTRIDGE. THE 17 IS A GREAT ROUND FOR SMALLER VARMINTS BUT LACKS THE POOP TO GET IT DONE ON A 'YOTE AT ANY DISTANCE. THE 17 IS ALSO VERY EASILY THROWN OFF COURSE BY THE WIND.
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Once again listen to DAD & Chorkie.
I own both the .223(5.56mm) and the 22-250. I also shoot a lot of coyotes and red foxes as well as ground squirrels. I always grab for the .223 just because it is about half the cost to shoot. This is because you can purchase military surplus ammo for it (5.56mm). I have never owned the .17 cal Rem. but I can say I haven't seen many places that carry ammo for it and that tells me all I need to know about the cartridge.
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For the life of me, I can hardly find an application for a 17 other than turtles in the pond. I have more respect for coyotes and varments to see them die a slow and painful death...that may take 2-3 days when shot with a small caliber round. I live on a working ranch and carry a rifle for "business" every day. It is used for control of skunks, stay dogs, Mexican vultures, armadillos, bobcats, and coyotes that become bothersome. The caliber of that rifle is 30-06.
I don't shoot many coyotes though. They are no bother unless they get too plentiful. Then I only reduce their numbers a little. They actually serve a useful purpose--to keep rats and rabbits in check.
Anyway, you were probably wanting us to support your wishes to buy a new 17 mag. rifle. I, for one, can't do that. If you want a serious rifle to shoot varmints with, buy one that is more powerful.
My 2.5-cents worth,
Rafter-S
P.S. God gave us dads for a reason. And most of that reason was the wisdom they can share...if we just listen.0 -
Tell your DAD that I know what I'm talking about, and that your DAD should buy you a .460 Weatherby Magnum for coyotes. It will kill them, if your DAD can teach you to hit them.
By the way, you can also tell your DAD that he might teach you some MANNERS, so you will get more productive thoughts on your POSTS on GunBroker.
Welcome to the forum. It's always a pleasure to try to help out folks who are as humble as you.
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Here is my take on the subject. Listen to your dad. 22-250 is a great rifle for varmits and coyotes. I have a Remington 700vls in .223. (The 22-250 is a bit more stronger than a .223 with the same projectial) It is great for yotes and groundhogs when I am back east. I have gotten coyotes out here in southern cali with it. I will admit that all the coyotes that I have shot here in cali were head shots. On the other hand I have seen what a .17Rem has done to them also. (more damage than my my 223) But I think that you are talking about the 17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire. That caliber I would consider only for squirls and close range parrie dogs. It lacks the power for coyotes. If your wanting a rifle that could be used for other things than just coyotes look at the 6mm Rem or the .243. I know of a couple of guys out here using the 6mmx45mm (223 case with a 6mm bullet) and the 6mmx47mm (222 mag with a 6mm bullet) wildcats. Any of the last mentioned calibers will kill deer sized game up to 150yrds and beyond with good shot placement; and I have seen them kill coyotes out beyond 300yrds.
This is what I have seen or done. I trust my 223 out to 250+ yrds for coyotes with the setup that I have. I am confident with this rifle and have shoot sub 1" groups out to 200yrds.
Hope this will help you
Ray
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Doug: Cut the young man some slack. We all had to start somewhere. It is refreshing to have the younger members ask questions even though they are not yet experienced in their writing.
ISW: Go with a larger caliber like your dad suggests. You will find preditors at distances where the 17 will not reach.0 -
First of all I second what Mr. wilson stated as to manners! I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you will soon learn that manners gets you more responces than rudeness. Now as to the 17 magnum, I am guessing you are talking about the 17 HMR and if so then I would not use it on coyotes myself due to the fact it is a very small bullit and very wind intolerent. I Have a 17 HMR that I use on ground hogs and other small game but it does not impress me as a caliber that would be very effective on coyotes. I would stick with the 223, 22-250, 243, and a host of other calibers. If you are talking about the 17 Remington round then it will kill coyotes but it is a wind intolerent round as well. I have seen friends take down whitetails with the 17 Remington but they were very experienced with shooting that caliber. I have shot coyotes with hand loaded 90 grain 270 rounds with great success. Other friends of mine love to use 243s or 308s. I have several 223s that I use as well. Bottom line is the 17 HMR is not a good coyote round in my opinion.
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i'm confused. i thought the smaller dia. had less surface area to buck the wind and the larger caliber had more surface area and therfore caught more wind. with all due respect. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by luv1800s
i'm confused. i thought the smaller dia. had less surface area to buck the wind and the larger caliber had more surface area and therfore caught more wind. with all due respect.
While it is true that the smaller diameter bullets do travel at a higher velocity they lack the weight that keeps the kinetic energy up over distance.
Try this at home. Take two plastic pepsi bottles (or coke bottles but just make sure they are identical bottles) fill one with water and leave the other one empty and then throw each one as hard as you possibly can, and throw them for distance. You will notice that the empty bottle quickly loses it's velocity and drops to the ground faster than the one you filled with water. The one with water in it you will notice maintains it's velocity throughout it's ballistic "arch" until it hits the ground at a much further distance than the empty bottle.
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In my considered opinion...Rafter made the right call! The versatile 30-06 is my Choice also...You can Load your own and have more veratility then with any other Cartridge on the Planet..!You can load a 110 gr Bullet with speeds up to 3400 F.P.S. Great on Praire Dawgs...and for Mr. Coyote..any Weight Bullet You Want...even Military Ball will punch His Ticket up to as Far as You can see....Talk to a Reloader...You'll be amased at how many Bullets can be loaded for the Venerable old 30-06..VARMIT to GRIZZLY......Best....
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