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Speer Lawman Ammo Quality UPDATE

bill2740
I bought 10 boxes of Speer Lawman 45 Auto 230gr FMJ from Bachman
Pawn. When loading the mags for my SW1911, I noticed some of the
rounds were shorter (OAL) than others. Some OALs were 1.168",
really short. Getting failures to feed with the shorter rounds. I didn't shoot the really short rounds.
Any one else having this problem with Speer Lawman ammo?
Boxes marked: 53967 K25F24

Bill
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  • Der Gebirgsjager
    I use Speer Lawman .45 ACP ammo extensively, and prefer it among the less expensive brands. What I really like about it vs. some of the imports and Blazer is that the cases are brass and reloadable. Overall much nicer ammo than all of the steel and aluminum Berdan primed stuff. The only short rounds I've encountered have been those I created by running the ammo from the mag into the chamber, and then later ejecting it without firing it. Seems as though one encounter of that roundnose with the feed ramp will push the bullet into the case slightly, and doing it a couple of times will create exactly what you are talking about. I'm going to speculate that your ammo was previously owned, and that some of it was cycled but not fired.
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  • bill2740
    The short rounds came directly from the factory box(s). They were NOT
    cycled through the pistol. Why would Bachman Pawn sell used ammo?
    Think of the liability!! Has to be a manufacturing problem!!!

    Bill
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  • pbgunrunner
    Ive had nothing but great luck with the Lawman Ammo, excellent accuracy and reliablility both in my 1911. I'm going out on a limb here, but since you mention it was a pawn shop, could we assume it might be reloaded ammo that was sold to them with a pawned gun? It's very possible that they didnt know (or care to check) that the rounds were reloads. I checked the 1 box I had left here and they all seem to be very consistant. I'd view the rest of your batch with some suspicion if I were you. Just my 2 cents worth.....of course I might be overpaid.....[:D]

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  • Der Gebirgsjager
    Well, Bill--sorry you are unhappy with the hypothesis. We can only answer these questions from experiences we have had personally. It dismays me somewhat that so many folks with a question overlook the obvious, which is to go to the source. Why don't you ask one of the factory gurus at Speer Bullets, 208-746-2351, or www.spseer-bullets.com ? Give them the lot numbers of your ammo. They will assure you that the rounds became shorter after leaving the factory, because they mechanically and visually check them for length as part of the inspection process before shipping. Personally, after shooting thousands of rounds of their ammo, I've never had one come short from the box. So....where will that leave you (if you believe the factory guru)? Why....back at Bachman Pawn, won't it? And, to answer your question about why would they do it, there are only two logical answers: (1) Unknowingly, or (2) For money. Take your pick, and when you solve your problem, why not get back to us? Thanks.[8D]
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  • mballai
    I've shot nearly a case of the 230 FMJs of the Lawman. Can't recall any issues with it.

    45 ball ammo has a rather light crimp and it takes very little effort to cause a bullet to seat deeper in a case. I agree that you should consult Speer as suggested.

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  • sharkman69
    I use Speer Lawman ammo in my Smith and Wesson .357 magnum, and it is the most accurate, hardest hitting .357 ammo I've ever used. I'm always looking for more of it, since CCI decided to quit making it. I haven't tried any Lawman in my .45, but if I see any at the gun show this weekend, I'll pick up a box and write about the results, good or bad.
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  • bill2740
    I emailed Speer about the problem and thier reply was the rounds were damaged in shipping. Not their problem. The boxes (50 rds) were not crushed or damaged in any way. ???????????????

    Bill
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