454 Casull I want your opinions - Part 2
Hay everyone you have been very helpful. I'm going to have to look into a few guns that you have suggested and let you know what I find out. I need to look at a Raging Bull yet but should be able to find one at the Gun Show this weekend in Denver. But I still like the Freedom Arms. I would like to know if any of you have tried there wide V-Notch rear sight. Also PLEASE keep your pet loads a coming.
Her again is my Original question to you all out there.Posted - 11/15/2003 : 03:01:30
I'm thinking of getting a 454 Casull handgun. I now hunt with a 44 Rem Mag Customized Super Blackhawk Old Model. My first choice at this time looks like a Freedom Arms Field Grade with a 7 1/2" barrel. With wooden grips because my hands are to small for a double action or large grips. On my Super Blackhawk I use either the standard grips or a set of customs that are trimmed down so I can reach the trigger.
I want to here everyones ideas. From stay with what I now have to this is my pet load, choice of sights ETC.
My 44 is very accurate, and pleasent for me to shoot. I put between 700 and a 1000 rounds a year through it.
Please put your comments here or E-Mail me at Wolftrap97@aol.com
Thanks again to all of you. Wolf
Just talked to a friend of mine in Alaska. He told me that a number of people he knows that use Freedom Arms and Raging Bulls are about equal. If you are a cowboy you get a Freedom Arms. If you are not and want to use a sholder rig to carry it they use a Raging Bull. Most like Medium length barrels 5" to 7 1/2". I'll let you all know more when I find out more. Wolf
OK SPORTS FANS I"M BACK FROM THE SHOW:
I found two Raging Bulls. In general finish was good except for the frames. They were spotted????? They are very barrel heavy, to the point that you need a rest to hold it stead. I can reach the trigger only if it is cocked. And no one makes after market grips for them. The only info I got on accurcy was that this police office (owner)said it was very good he could keep it in a 4 1/2" group at 25 ft if he used a rest. And this guys life depends on his ability???? OK THEN. I looked at a Ruger it looked like the barrel was about an inch higher. Boy I bet that kicks. So I guess I'm back to looking at Freedom Arms again. HOW ABOUT SOME MORE INPUT PLEASE.
Wolftrap97@aol.com
Her again is my Original question to you all out there.Posted - 11/15/2003 : 03:01:30
I'm thinking of getting a 454 Casull handgun. I now hunt with a 44 Rem Mag Customized Super Blackhawk Old Model. My first choice at this time looks like a Freedom Arms Field Grade with a 7 1/2" barrel. With wooden grips because my hands are to small for a double action or large grips. On my Super Blackhawk I use either the standard grips or a set of customs that are trimmed down so I can reach the trigger.
I want to here everyones ideas. From stay with what I now have to this is my pet load, choice of sights ETC.
My 44 is very accurate, and pleasent for me to shoot. I put between 700 and a 1000 rounds a year through it.
Please put your comments here or E-Mail me at Wolftrap97@aol.com
Thanks again to all of you. Wolf
Just talked to a friend of mine in Alaska. He told me that a number of people he knows that use Freedom Arms and Raging Bulls are about equal. If you are a cowboy you get a Freedom Arms. If you are not and want to use a sholder rig to carry it they use a Raging Bull. Most like Medium length barrels 5" to 7 1/2". I'll let you all know more when I find out more. Wolf
OK SPORTS FANS I"M BACK FROM THE SHOW:
I found two Raging Bulls. In general finish was good except for the frames. They were spotted????? They are very barrel heavy, to the point that you need a rest to hold it stead. I can reach the trigger only if it is cocked. And no one makes after market grips for them. The only info I got on accurcy was that this police office (owner)said it was very good he could keep it in a 4 1/2" group at 25 ft if he used a rest. And this guys life depends on his ability???? OK THEN. I looked at a Ruger it looked like the barrel was about an inch higher. Boy I bet that kicks. So I guess I'm back to looking at Freedom Arms again. HOW ABOUT SOME MORE INPUT PLEASE.
Wolftrap97@aol.com
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The wide v notch is great for fast shooting at something up close, but not very precise for distance shooting. I have a freedom arms field grade and it is extremely accurate, as it should be for what they cost!
Chris8161
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Hello, Wolftrap--
Well, Sir, I read it all. Had to go back to what is now Page 3 of the Forum to read the original posts. Seems like you got a lot of good advice/input; but since you want any and all opinions I will give you my well considered one.
I think that right now you have about the best hunting handgun going. Afterall, such worthies as Elmer Keith thought the .44 Mag. good enough for bear, and I think he and others proved it.
I've used lots of handguns over the years and have come to the conclusion that you are best armed with whatever lies at the intersection of the lines on the graph drawn from (1) which gun/
caliber combination I can use best, and (2) which is the most effective on target. Example: The .32 ACP is pretty easy to control, but not too effective on bear. A .45-70 revolver is very effective on the target, but slow on the second shot. (Durn thing is heavy, too!)
In this example, one is too little, the other too much. Your Ruger .44 Mag. is right where the lines cross.
Afterall, if you want the biggest, you'll need to get right down to you local dealer and get the next .500 S&W Magnum. Locally, we can't keep them on the shelf. A dealer friend of mine reports that some of his customers have come back with the web between their thumb and forefinger split, and the third joint of their forefinger grossly swollen. Again...too much. I don't hear enough good about the .480 Ruger that would induce me to shoot it either. And the ONLY good thing about the .454 Casull is that you can shoot .45 Long Colt in it.
Really, you know, where the lines intersect on the graph for most shooters are the .44 Mag. and the .45 Long Colt cartridges. You can actually load the old Colt round up hotter that the .44 Mag. in the Ruger revolvers (but some would question your sanity in doing so), and the .44 Mag. has done everything everyone ever wanted it to do. Here's the punch line, Wolftrap......if your .44 Blackhawk won't do the job you want it to do.....you need a rifle.0 -
I first of all wouldn't get a .454 Casull, unless I REALLY felt I needed one. If I decided I needed one, I'd get the Freedom Arms Field Grade. I love to shoot handguns and used to shoot full power .44's all the time. In fact the concept of a reduced load didn't appeal to me for several years after I started handloading. Now, I don't care to shoot heavy recoiling loads for just the fun of it. I don't know what you are hunting, but I would think the .44 you have would be fine. At the same time, why do I need three deer rifles? If you want one, get it!!
quote:Really, you know, where the lines intersect on the graph for most shooters are the .44 Mag. and the .45 Long Colt cartridges. You can actually load the old Colt round up hotter that the .44 Mag. in the Ruger revolvers (but some would question your sanity in doing so), and the .44 Mag. has done everything everyone ever wanted it to do. Here's the punch line, Wolftrap......if your .44 Blackhawk won't do the job you want it to do.....you need a rifle.
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I think you are over analyzing this purchase! Just buy the one that feels best in your hand! The Ruger and Freedom Arms are both excellent guns, of course there is a major price difference between the two. If you can afford the Freedom, get it and stop analyzing!
Chris8161
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Wolftrap...I am assuming you are in the Denver area? If so, Id be glad to let you try out a Casull ( I have a couple). Might help you make up your mind. There is a shop in Englewood that has a field grade for sale if you care to check it out. 0 -
Recoil is bad on the bones. Go with what is comfortable to your wrists. I have bad wrists, and therefore do not care for rifle like calibers in a pistol. We all get old, and sooner or later, and we will pay for our mistakes. The 44 mag is all I care to handle. 0 -
I had my heart set on a Casull and was in the gun shop looking. Ruger makes the RedHawk, which you might look at as far as grips and feel. Just because, I asked what the price of ammo was for this beast and decided on a .44. You really gotta a wanta. My feeling power isn't going to make a lot of difference if you don't hit where you aim. I'm comfortable with .44mags and .45 colt. I don't think I would do much practice if it beat the crap out of me. 0 -
Wolftrap: I certainly am no expert but I think Der Gebirgsjager's summary and opinion is the best advice I have seen on the subject of bigger guns. But if you have to get another gun I'd go for the Freedom Arms due to it's very fine reputation.
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