Wolf Ammo
I heard that Wolf ammo messes up the barrel in your rifle. Is this true, specifically .223. Thanks.[8]
Darrell
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Saw this brand at gun show and noticed the 9mm was in STEEL CASINGS. Does this steel case damage a handgun? Thanks to all replies. 0 -
Chris...... I have shot lots of Wolf in 7.62x39, 5.56, 9mm and .45ACP, and it has worked pretty well.
All of it being steel case ammo I have wondered, since it is harder than brass, if it was doing any harm to my guns. I have not had any breakage or signs of excessive wear so far. I have, however, had some jams when firing Wolf ammo.
I have heard stories of the laquer coating on Wolf ammo liquifying from excessive heat generated from sustained rapid firing and gumming up the chamber. The excessive extractor wear theory seems to make sense also.
I have decided to shoot up the remaining Wolf ammo I have and probably will not buy any more. Brass cased ammo is not a whole lot more expensive.
The AK's and SKS's are made to shoot soviet steel cased ammo, and probably are not bothered by these problems whether real or percieved.0 -
I have shot several thousand rounds of wolf in 9mm and .45. Very few problems with it. I have seen no extractor damage in glocks and kimbers I shoot it in. 0 -
I shot wolf in my .223 and my SKS today.only prob I had was breaking the firing pin in the SKS but I cant blame the ammo.When I took it apart I did notice A coating around the internal parts but have not yet figured out what it was.Now I have a good idea!I'm going back to brass also ! 0 -
I know that the coating on the steel casings has caused jams when the heat gets too great. You may want to try the Silver Bear series. This is nickle coated steel cases minus the lacquer but is still Russian made. The nickle coating assist in the smooth chambering and does not cause jams.
We have shot cases of the 5.56mm thru full auto weapons & have not experienced any jams.
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More than one gun company has given a thumbs down to Wolf, but then again a lot more than that says you shouldn't be shooting reloads either. Probably ok in limited amounts and without much rapid shooting.
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Oh for goodness sake all... no one has yet to report any problems worth note other than the occasional jam which isn't DAMAGING the gun, just an annoyance... so just SHOOT the stuff, that's my two cents. I mean, in an SKS or AK, it's what it was DESIGNED for! Now would I shoot it in a valuable gun, say a WW1 1911? Well... I might try a few rounds but I would be more inclined to use handloads where I could control what went in.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf0 -
In one word that happend to my 700 remington 223.
JAM
It done it 3 times in a row. After each time I cleaned the rifle completly. I threw what I had left away. This is my experience.
Ray
More Powder, More Lead, More Dead0 -
I've used Wolf ammo in 7.62 x 39 and .40 S&W. No problem with 7.62, and I've used the .40 S&W in a Glock and an Ultrastar. The glock is OK with the steel case, but the Ultrastar can't feed the steel case, although it's OK with all brass-cased ammo. The only problem I've seen with Wolf.
Regards,
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Ok after closer exam of my sks and the cases from the wolf I WAS shooting this is what I found...
When I took the bolt apart the firing pin was not broken! It was jammed with 3 (all I found) small peices.The peices were flat and round the size of the hole the firing pin is in.Because I pick up all cases when done [:D] I dug them out the trash and looked at each case and found the primer on 6 out of 40 had a hole in it. leading me to think the primer came apart and jammed the firing pin. The 3 peices were (for lack of better word)welded to the pin I had to grind off with a drimmel tool.
When shooting my wife also noticed the bolt carrier smoking after only 2 shots.I dismissed the smoke as claening fluids or oil not wiped up from cleaning the night before.
I have sence then ordered a new bolt/firing pin/extractor and spring.
If you have any questions about this post or ideas for me to check e-mail me at rcno@iwworks.com I work alot but will reply in less than 14 days sorry for the long post0 -
Here is the deal with steel cased ammo as I researched it. Maybe there will be a metallurgist reading this so he/she can go into more detail. I have investigated this topic as a result of a gun purchase a few years ago. I bought a new Ruger P97 45 ACP pistol. Because 45ACP ammo is a little pricey, I bought a case of the Wolf (which was about $60/500). The pistol shot brass very nicely, no jams at all. The Wolf ammo was a different story; I had jams galore, about 1 jam every other magazine. I called Ruger and spoke with their engineers. They told me not to shoot any steel cased ammo in their pistols. They explained that steel and brass expand at different rates and are different hardnesses. When exposed to heat (remember your chemistry and physics), the steel (being harder) can seal itself so tightly in the firing chamber that it can result in the extractor being unable to pull out the shell casing or even possibly rupture in the breech and cause a catastrophic failure. They told me the CCI alloy rounds are fine and they shoot them all of the time. As an experiment, I shot a 50 round box of the Wolf through an H&K USP pistol to see if I could replicate the problem. I did experience a jam or two, but not like with the Ruger. The USP has never jammed with brass-cased ammo.
I buy steel cased 9mm (not Wolf, but Russian) by the case and it shoots fine in my Beretta, Taurus, Glock, and full auto MAC10. I theorize that the reduced diameter of the case has less effect than the fatter case of the 45 (anyone chime in at any time). The SKS and AK guns are not manufactured to the tolerances of some of the more modern firearms but they are less finicky and very reliable.
Steel cased ammo in AR's is also a no no according to Olympic Arms and Armalite if they are lacquer coated. The heat in the chamber can cause the lacquer to come off and gum up the firing chamber causing all sorts of problems. I have read nothing about nickel plated steel in the AR's.
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My $.02, We (another fella and myself) have shot several thousand rounds of Wolf 45acp out of a supply of 10,000. We shoot various targets at 25 yards. Basically no rapid firing. Six or eight different makes of pistol. Most were reworked for accuracy. Here are our findings. Zero jams. One broken gun. Serious copper fouling in our barrels. I think the ammo is too hot for the kind of shooting I do. As to the fouling, we think the copper they use in their jackets sticks to the barrel more than normal. The stuff seems pretty tenacious. I know one thing it will never see the inside of another of my pistols.
Miles
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