Clearing live round from cocked gun w/o decocker
What's the safest way to clear a live round from a cocked firearm which has no de-cocker?
Point in safe direction and eject with one firm pull on slide?
If one does not pull the slide enough to eject, and it slips,
can or has anyone witnessed unintentional discharge?
My firearms have de-cockers except my newest one, and I would like to hear of other's experience while developing safety procedures of my own.
My Colt Double Eagle (40S&W) has a decocker and no safety. My new Colt 1991 has a safety and no decocker. I prefer the first configuration.
Originally posted by Doug111663 "Buy a Glock."
No, Doug, I REALLY like that big chunk of machined stainless. Glocks rattle a bit too much for my liking.
quote:Originally posted by Der Gebirgsjager
firmly grasp the slide with the other hand, and pull smartly to the rear thereby ejecting the live cartridge.
THIS PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP. OH, AND lovs1800s IT'S A COLT FROM THE 90'S (SERIES 90, IF THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS) SHOOTING 40S&W. IT IS A TANK.
Originally designed under contracts with the US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) for the development of an Offensive Handgun Weapon System (OHWS).
Point in safe direction and eject with one firm pull on slide?
If one does not pull the slide enough to eject, and it slips,
can or has anyone witnessed unintentional discharge?
My firearms have de-cockers except my newest one, and I would like to hear of other's experience while developing safety procedures of my own.
My Colt Double Eagle (40S&W) has a decocker and no safety. My new Colt 1991 has a safety and no decocker. I prefer the first configuration.
Originally posted by Doug111663 "Buy a Glock."
No, Doug, I REALLY like that big chunk of machined stainless. Glocks rattle a bit too much for my liking.
quote:Originally posted by Der Gebirgsjager
firmly grasp the slide with the other hand, and pull smartly to the rear thereby ejecting the live cartridge.
THIS PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP. OH, AND lovs1800s IT'S A COLT FROM THE 90'S (SERIES 90, IF THAT IS WHAT IT MEANS) SHOOTING 40S&W. IT IS A TANK.
Originally designed under contracts with the US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) for the development of an Offensive Handgun Weapon System (OHWS).
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Well....let's see......a 1911 has no decocker, and the best way to proceed is exactly as you have described; point it in a safe direction, firmly grasp the grip with one hand keeping the finger off the trigger, firmly grasp the slide with the other hand, and pull smartly to the rear thereby ejecting the live cartridge. No, I have never witnessed an accidental discharge using this method. Come to think about it, I know of no other method. It would be foolish to first lower the hammer, because then when one pulled the slide to the rear they would have to overcome the resistance of the hammer being cocked. 0 -
Nope, that's about it. Of course you want to wait to make sure there's no delayed-fire. I read of a gun that didn't properly withdraw its firing pin and could fire in the manner you described (dropping the slide after partially pulling it rearward), however, it was a relatively obscure gun and I can't recall the maker. Any reputable firearm should be just fine. 0 -
"decockers" scare me every time I see them, I don't know call me a little old fashioned, but it seems to be a bad visual for me. In the event that you were not speaking of a semi auto, with a revolver, point it in a safe direction, with your shooting hand hold it firmly, and with non shooting hand put pressure on the hammer, and gently pull the trigger with shooting hand, while guiding the hammer down with the non shooting hand, a wheelguns cylinder will not open while the gun is cocked. But I assume from your post you were speaking of a semi auto.
R/
Dave
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Best way to do it really on any semi-automatic is to just remove the magazine, and pull the slide back until it ejects the cartridge. 
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Thanks. That's the only way I know of also. I wanted to know if anyone dropped the hammer first, even though there is a chance of the hammer slipping and dropping on a live round.
I ended up with a cocked weapon with a round in the chamber after routine cleaning and operations check after using a full mag instead of an empty one by mistake.0 -
dropping the hammer during decocking is known as an AD. (accidental discharge.) happens all the time. if i remember correctly, as long as the finger is off the trigger of a 1911, the 1/2 cock will catch it. i was taught to pull the trigger and then take your finger off of it, then lower the trigger. ad's happen a lot with s.a's. i tend to agree with clearing the gun, rather than trying to drop a hammer on a semi.
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Buy a Glock.quote:Originally posted by jsergovic
What's the safest way to clear a live round from a cocked firearm which has no de-cocker?
Point in safe direction and eject with one firm pull on slide?
If one does not pull the slide enough to eject, and it slips,
can or has anyone witnessed unintentional discharge?
My firearms have de-cockers except my newest one, and I would like to hear of other's experience while developing safety procedures of my own.
My Colt Double Eagle (40S&W) has a decocker and no safety. My new Colt 1991 has a safety and no decocker. I prefer the first configuration.0 -
is it really "AD" accidental discharge, or "SM" stupid mistake?
and theres no way i would trade a colt 45 for a glock. thats like trading a chevy for a ford.0 -
This is for right handed shooters.
With weapon in normal firing grip remove mag with left hand and place it between the pinky and ring fingers of the right hand.
With left hand grasp slide with thumb on left hand side of slide and the four fingers of left hand on right hand side of slide. The left thumb and left index finger are bearing on the grasping grooves of the slide. The other 3 fingers form a cup outside of the ejection port.
With the right thumb firmly pressing the slide stop up forcefully move the slide rearward with the left hand. The chambered round will pop right into your left hand. The slide will be locked back. The mag is in your right hand.
KEEP YOUR FINGERS OUT OF THE TRIGGER GUARD !
MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO NOT POINT THE MUZZLE AT YOUR LEFT FOREARM OR SOME OTHER NON-BULLETPROOF BIT OF ANATOMY.
DO POINT THE MUZZLE IN A SAFE DIRECTION. FIGURE THIS OUT BEFORE YOU START.
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Oh, yea, they forgot to tell you.
Next time you clean the weapon take out the loaded magazine and the loaded round from the chamber and never clean a loaded firearm with the hammer cocked.0 -
I.Shute hit the nail on the head, along with the rest of the gang...
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