Beretta 3032 tomcat
Are these guns a DA/SA, or true DA (only)? Is Inox stainless steel, or some proprietary anti-corrosion process?
Also, are there any guns with these approximate dimensions (sub-compact only) that will shoot bigger cartridges such as the .380, 9mm, or larger?
Also, are there any guns with these approximate dimensions (sub-compact only) that will shoot bigger cartridges such as the .380, 9mm, or larger?
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Kel Tec makes both the P 11 ( 9mm ) and P 3AT ( .380 cal.) pistols. I've carried a P 11 for years, It's just a little bigger then the TomCat. Believe the P 3AT is the same size. I'll vouch for the P 11.
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The Tomcat comes in Double Action Only. True Double Action is DA/SA. Inox stainless steel is just that, stainless steel, which is corrosion resistant. 0 -
I do not know where or how TAURUS-357 got the information that the Beretta Tomcat is Double-Action-Only. The answer given is incorrect. The Tomcat IS a traditional double action, where the hammer can be cocked with the trigger for the first shot from a down hammer position. After the first shot, the hammer remains at full cock for "single action" thereafter. That is DA/SA in common usage.
In common usage, the term "Double-Action-Only" means the hammer must be cocked with the trigger for each shot. That is not necessary for the Tomcat.
As stated, Inox is the term Beretta uses for stainless steel. The Inox Tomcat has a natural alloy frame and stainless steel parts.
When the Tomcat was announced, I thought (hoped) it would be a M21 in .32ACP, which would still have been bigger than a Kel-Tec P32, but with the Beretta features (tip-up barrel, etc.) and quality. However, when it finally reached the market, it was a LOT bigger and is HUGE for its chambering. It weighs more than an Airlite Smith Chiefs Special, and is about the same size. (The fat grip diameter is about the same size as a cylinder on a J-frame Smith, and the volume is about the same.) Way too fat and heavy for me, especially when compared to a Kel-Tec P32.0 -
Thanks for the info guys... I did stumble across the DA/SA answer on thier site (which I had looked before but hadn't found).
I thought briefly about the Kel-Tec... Maybe I should give it another look.0 -
HOW DOES THE TRIGGER COCK FOR THE SECOND SHOT WITHOUT SLIDE-OPERATED BLOWBACK?
I handled the Inox Tomcat today. The tip-up barrel is a flip. No racking slide.
It will fire DA or SA, but I'm not sure if a followup shot would be SA.
A quality piece, you can get the INOX (stainless in Italian) for $317 + 20 shipping.
http://budsgunshop.com/Store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_52/products_id/416
My local shop sells these for $450, or whatever list is.
I would have to trigger it with the end digit of my index on the trigger, rather than a more "full finger wrap" about the trigger. While I do not know correct shooting hand position, in a strssful situation it can be assumed one might grip their firearm rather tightly, and they would have to loosen up to get it to fire.
When the mood strikes, I'm switching my PPK/S for a Sig P-232. THAT GUN IS A PLEASURE TO HOLD. HAVEN'T SHOT IT YET, BUT CAN TELL IT WILL BE VERRRY COMFORTABLE0 -
I'm holding my Tomcat now. It is a conventional DA. Second shot is SA. John
I might not always tell you the truth, but I will never lie to you!0 -
It's NOT a traditional double action, because it has a frame mounted safety and because of that, may be carried "cocked and locked", "condition one", or whatever you want to call it.
Although it is a blowback operating system, the slide may be racked. Where ever did a non-racking, blowback slide come from?
I carry my TomCat all the time - cocked and locked.
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I'M NOT STUPID. BAD INFORMATION. I DO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. FURTHERMORE, I AGREE WITH WILSON ON THE ACTION OF THE TOMCAT. BY THE WAY, I REALIZE MY CAPS ARE ON!!!! JUDGE, YOU'RE VERY RUDE! 0 -
I have a Tomcat, and I have debated a bit with Judge Colt on this before, but I believe that I may slowly be coming to his side on the Kel-Tec/Tomcat debate. For what I do, discretion is an absolute must. The Tomcat fits into my front pocket no problem, as would the Kel tec .32. I have never had a jam or failure to fire with the Tomcat; however, on at least 2-3 occasions, the plunger that holds the safety up or down has popped out of its recepticle. The way that the grip dovetails in to the safety makes it IMPOSSIBLE to put the blasted thing back together. There must be some trick to it that I'm not privy to.
Anyway, I don't believe that the Kel-Tec does not have a safety on it (just like a revolver in that sense), and seems to be a simple blow-back mechanism. I have not used one, but all I hear are good things, except from the owner of the local shop, who has always guided me to more expensive pistols (he knows a sucker when he sees one.)
Is there a firing pin safety on the Kel-Tec?
Finally, the Tomcat is DA/SA, and can be carried hammer down, safety on; hammer down, safety off; and cocked and locked like a 1911.0 -
I forgot the main reason to write. Similar sized pistols include the Kahr MK-9 and MK-40; the Kel-Tec .32 and .380; NAA Guardian in .32 and .380. Kahr now makes a MK-9 and MK-40 with a polymer frame; it looks very nice, but I'd be wary about +p in there. 0 -
I forgot the main reason to write. Similar sized pistols include the Kahr MK-9 and MK-40; the Kel-Tec .32 and .380; NAA Guardian in .32 and .380. Kahr now makes a MK-9 and MK-40 with a polymer frame; it looks very nice, but I'd be wary about +p in there. 0 -
Also, the Guardian is now chambered for the new .32NAA cartridge, which gives the 380ACP a little boost in power. 0 -
Jgreen, the Kl-Tecs are all locked breech, including the P32. None of the other .32 pistols mentioned have a locked breech, and therefore kick a lot harder. The locked breech is one of the biggest advantages of the Kel-Tec P32, and its small size and light weight are others very important to me.
I disagree that the Kahrs are similarly sized. They are much bigger, and weigh in the 15 ounce range, while the P32 weighs about 6 ounces. The Guardians are blow-back and are also much bigger and heavier. Kahrs and Kel-Tec P32s are like apples and oranges. Perhaps you are thinking of the 9x19 Kel-Tec P11 being similarly sized to the Kahrs. Even then, the Kel-Tec P11 holds 10+1, while the Kahrs hold 5+1 in similarly sized pistols. Do I want 11 shots or 6 shots in about the same size and weight? Again, no contest for me.
Lighten up, TAURUS-357. If you have to shout that you are not stupid, do you think that helps convince people otherwise? I cannot see where I was rude, but if I was, I apologize. However, you are still wrong that the Tomcat is Double Action Only. If you disagree, make a civil challenge backed up with facts and reasoned argument, not shouting that you are not stupid.
In a Double Action Only action, the hammer must be cocked with the trigger for each shot. (Kel-Tecs and Kahrs are good examples.) With the Tomcat, the hammer may be cocked with the trigger for the first shot if desired, or with the thumb, but after that, the slide cocks the hammer after each shot, and the hammer stays cocked until the trigger is pulled for the next shot, or is manually lowered. In a Double Action Only, the hammer follows the slide forward after each shot, and must again be raised with the trigger for the next shot. The hammer will not stay cocked between shots. That is not how the Tomcat operates. The hammer stays cocked between shots.
Mr. Wilson has a point in that many traditional double action pistols cannot be carried cocked and locked, but then many can too, depending on your semantics. The Tanfoglio pistols and some H-K USP pistols come to mind. Mr. Wilson, my H-K USP can be carried cocked and locked, or the hammer can be dropped with the safety and the safety can then be left on or off. How would you describe its action if not traditional double action?0
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