First Shotgun
I'm looking to buy my first shotgun. I've been borrowing guns to shoot clays and want to finally buy my own.
I'm interested in an over/under, less than $500, which is easy to maintain.
I've heard talk about the EAA IZH27 & American Arms Silver 1, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on either of these guns.
Thanks.
I'm interested in an over/under, less than $500, which is easy to maintain.
I've heard talk about the EAA IZH27 & American Arms Silver 1, I would greatly appreciate any feedback on either of these guns.
Thanks.
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the reason 33 people viewed your post and didnt answer is because these responses always require long and detailed q&a'ing. most dont like offering the advice, because 25 other people will then counter everything they say! im retired and bored; so, let me be the first to start the ball rolling. if youre a beginner and want to get a gun that will help you learn the sport instead of scaring you away, keep borrowing peoples guns until you find one you like, (that causes your scores to go up,) then buy one like it. or, make your decision whether or not to go full speed into the sport and then buy a good gun and pay a good price for it, like a new citori, red label, or equivilent. stay away from bargain guns like the import you are interested in. they were designed to feed 'your kind' of shooter who realizes they got took and could have done better, later on in the shooting game. people in the gun business stock their stores with guns that will turn a quick profit, meaning, low wholesale, fair to high retail. nothing wrong with capitalism, but the price is usually at the expense of the consumer. something that 'moves' is a money maker. things that sit on shelves at the end of the year are tax burdens. therfore, cheap guns are always 'pushed.' moving volume is how dealers live. waiting for that big fish is a risky game. but if more people wernt afraid to post and promote GOOD guns for GOOD prices, the HIGH DOLLAR market wouldnt be suffering and CHEAP guns would go away....and america would be back on top with the best guns in the world in their hands. the WORLD has marketed the utility mind set that america has been known for. they know we are for the most part, those cheap americans that want everything for nothing. as long as we dont bite, we'll force the market to give us BETTER guns and we will be willing to PAY for them. so, buy a good gun that youll have and be still respecting 20 or 40 years from now and make turks, russians and all those other beginners, go back to bailing hay. just my 2 cents...that im entitled to speak. hope it helps.
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If you want ' el cheapo ' the Baikal can be had for somewhere around $400. They shoot OK, seem fairly well built, but are really plain, rough around the edges, sort of like the "hardware guns" of the turn of the century, shooters but nothing more. Parts are going to be "iffy" and trade when you get bored/dissatisfied is going to be $150 to $200.
Bobski makes a good point of keep trying loaners until you find what you like. Right now there should be a lot of clays guns coming into the racks, at least in my area, hunting season spawns trades.
A very nice used Red Label Ruger might be found in the $750 to 850 range. New, they sometimes can be found for less than a grand. Also look at the Berretta white wing and onyx and I think Browning makes a competitor to it, that new is around $1000. They don't have the engraving, ect, but are basically the same as the upscale models. I haven't looked lately, but used Weatherby's occasionally can be found nearly sparkling new for around $900.
The key to all this, if you're going to shoot a lot, you are going to go thru at least 200 rounds a week. I've seen guys get the cheap models and they work fine for a while, then things start to loosen up.
The hinge gets a little looser, beads and ribs sometimes aren't attached quite as well as they should be, screws keep backing out.
On a hot day, when you are actively shooting, these babies can get fairly hot.
Many of the pros use berretta, remington or browning auto's as well.
Browning Golds are from $650 on up and the Remington is a good sleeper
(shoot nice, but not a gun of the pros. yet). Berretta ultras are very popular.
So Bobski I think nailed it, you can spend less and that's what you'll get. Look around (ask around at the range ), there's always that "good intention" or out of work brother in law that wants to turn a a dust collector into cash.0 -
I'm certainly no expert on this subject,
but I noticed a Fausti(sp)Traditions in
Walmart for $495.An attractive gun,but I
don't know anything about them as far as
quality is concerned.Maybe someone else
can shed a little light on them.
IT'S WHAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THEMSELVES THAT MAKES THEM AFRAID.0 -
the fact that you saw it in walmart should tell you the whole story. 0 -
I don't have the EAA gun named but I do have one of their single shot deluxe models. Not only is it a great gun for the money but is very accurate (well as accurate as a shotgun gets!). I havne't noticed any poor quality in finish, either. No, it doesn't stack up with my 1800s and early 1900s doubles that have been passed down through the family but it is a very nice gun. Go for it.
"...hit your enemy in the belly, and kick him when he is down, and boil his prisoners in oil- if you take any- and torture his women and children. Then people will keep clear of you..." -Admiral of the Fleet Lord Fisher, speaking at the Hague Peace Conf0 -
Good answers & thanks to all...
I've tried 2 guns since my first post and see just how vsried long guns can get.
I'll keep lookign til I find one that's just right.0 -
If you can spend $500.00 on a gun that might last a few years, then I fail to see where you'd be hard-pressed to wait until you have $1000.00 and can buy a gun that will last your lifetime and that of your son... And his son.
The first is a consumable. It's cheap and you use it up. The second is beyond price. It will give great pleasure now. 50 years from now it will still deliver great pleasure, but the treasure of memories will far overshadow the initial price. The next 50 years will make you immortal in a way... Your name will be remembered through that gun long after you've turned back into dust.
Nord0 -
If there's one thing that there is no shortage of in this country,it's used shotguns.I'd much rather buy a good used american made gun than most any of the "cheaper" imports.
I'll bet the memebers of the clubs you shoot at will come up with a gun for you if you ask and check the bulletin boards and newsletters.
I shoot a cheaper import for cowboy shooting,and it gets me by but I"d rather have a good ol' americn made double.
Shoot safe,and have fun.!
Throckmortons' the alias,cas is the game.0 -
Take a look at the verona L502. I have shot this one and its shoots great. I think they run for around $500.00 they also make a cheaper version which my room mate has that runs around $300.00 and that gun shoots prety well also.
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The owner of our local sporting clays range once loaned me
the use of a Winchester Supreme Sporting O/U.
Aside from being nervous about using somebody else's gun, I loked it very much. Later I got to checking prices here on GB and felt like, for the money, that would be my pick.
Just my opinion.
Good luck, have fun finding what you want and using what you found.0
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