New 38 Super that does nothing but stovepipe
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I have a newer Llama MiniMax in 38 Super, that I can't seem to get to do anything but stove pipe. I can take a full clip of rounds and jack them through the gun manually, not firing, and it ejects the unfired rounds great, but when I fire the gun I can't seem to get the rounds to eject 90% of the time. I have had the round turn completely front to back and jam in the slide and put a new round in the chamber. Does anyone know who the distributor or the address of the distributor so I can send the gun to them for a look over, I have tried weaker recoil sprins, I have tried stronger recoil springs and I have tried new magazines all to no avail. It was a new gun when I purchased it.. Not a second hand gun.... any other suggestions? or the address.Thanks[}:)][V]
I have a newer Llama MiniMax in 38 Super, that I can't seem to get to do anything but stove pipe. I can take a full clip of rounds and jack them through the gun manually, not firing, and it ejects the unfired rounds great, but when I fire the gun I can't seem to get the rounds to eject 90% of the time. I have had the round turn completely front to back and jam in the slide and put a new round in the chamber. Does anyone know who the distributor or the address of the distributor so I can send the gun to them for a look over, I have tried weaker recoil sprins, I have tried stronger recoil springs and I have tried new magazines all to no avail. It was a new gun when I purchased it.. Not a second hand gun.... any other suggestions? or the address.Thanks[}:)][V]
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Limp wristing maybe?
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Before you look for mechanical fixes, get someone else who is an experienced shooter to fire the weapon. If it jams and stovepipes for him too, then you have a problem. I had to send a couple Llamas back for warranty repair at a shop I worked for in Pennsylvania and it took about six months to get the pistols returned! We stopped carrying Llamas.
Chris8161
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Are you using reloads?
When you cleaned the chamber last, do you remember how much oil you gave it?
Are you using 135gr metal case bullets?
When you got it new, did you shoot it? Did it stovepipe then?
If the ejector were a tad too long, it would really get that case spinning in there.....maybe it just pushes the case off the extractor?
Still thinkin'...
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I'm with Chris and Bobby on this one. If you're not used to shooting semi-auto's, you might be 'limp wristing' it. A semi-auto pistol, in order to cycle correctly, has to have a solid base, grip, on the weapon.
Get an experienced shooter to fire it for you. That will let you know where to start looking.
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does the gun have oil? they will stove pipe if they are dry.trust me on this one i know from experance
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may be way off but i had same problem & my mag spring was too strong in colt .45 comander
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A malfunction involving a piece of brass that fails to clear the ejection port is caused by one of a few things. The most common is too low slide to frame speed ratio. The slide must move rearward at a given speed, in relation to the frame, in order for the pistol to eject/feed properly. This can be caused by limp wristing, an incorrect recoil spring or a lack of lubrication.
The other possibility is a faulty extractor. The fact that your brass sometimes ends up sitting backwards in the ejection port is a sign of this. If the extractor isn't holding the shell rim against the breech face correctly it won't be directed up and out of the ejection port when the shell head strikes the ejector.
I've seen what you're describing suddenly develop when shooters are in the middle of a string of fire. Their pistol will be functioning flawlessly, then they'll get a stoppage from brass stovepiping or reversing in the ejection port. When they go through an immediate action clearance drill and continue firing they'll get the same problem on the next round. Upon close examination they discover their extractor has broken. The empty shell manages to clear the chamber, but isn't being held correctly for the extractor/ejector combination to do their job. One side of the rim strikes the ejector, but nothing is securing the opposite side to the breech face in order for the brass to be levered out of the ejection port. This often causes the empty shell to just spin 180 degrees and remain lying in the feedway.
If your extractor doesn't appear to be broken you still might have an incorrect or improperly adjusted extractor installed.
Here's your contact info:
IMPORT SPORTS Inc.
1750 Brielle Ave. Unit B-1
Wanamassa, NJ 07712
Tel. 732-493-0302
Fax: 732-493-0301
E-Mail: gsodini@aol.com
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Sounds like a magazine problem to Me....
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