Vorm-Sauer-Suhl

kaseycole

October 11, 2003 05:13

I am looking for information on this GDR manufacturer. I bought a very nice 12 guage that has scalloped receiver, cocking indicators, sideclips. This gun was bought as part of a package deal to get another one... I am guessing that this gun is related to JP Sauer and Sohns...but has to do with the dispute of when JP Sauer officially moved after the war from Suhl to Eckinsford West Germany.

Thanks for your help!

kaseycole

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  rufe-snow

  October 11, 2003 06:11

  Your shotgun would have to predate 1959. After that date all production and distrbution of firearms, made in the Suhl district of the DDR was controlled by Waffenfabrik "Ernst Thalmann". Which was a East German state run organization. The Merkel and Simson names were the only ones used on sporting firearms after that date.

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  kaseycole

  October 12, 2003 05:05

  Thanks for info.
  
  Does Vorm mean anything in German or is it a company name?
  
  Kaseycole

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  rufe-snow

  October 12, 2003 07:23

  This is a GUESS only, it MIGHT be the German word for successors?
  
  
  If your able to get HIGH QUALITY PICTURES, contact these guys This is a link to the German Gun Collectors Association.
  http://www.germanguns.com/q_a.html
  Many of them are very knowledgeable, well heeled, collectors with close ties to the Fatherland. Hopefully they may be able to help you.

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  mark christian

  October 12, 2003 14:45

  I am going to guess that Vorm is a persons name, although I have no idea who's. While I am not a native speaker, I do not believe that the word "vorm" exists in the German language as other than a proper noun. The word for success in German is "erfolg" so the word for successor should be "nachfolgerin", although I believe there may be a gender issue involved here since German is a highly structured language with hard fast rules.
  
  Ernst Thalmann was of course the President of the German Communist Party who received 13% and 10% of the votes in two 1932 elections against Hindenburg and Hitler's NAZI Party. He was pretty much a forgotten figure in Germany after the Nazi's outlawed the Communist Party, but the post war East German Government chose to lionize him and a number of other "has Been" communist/socialist party hacks. After the fall of the wall Ernst regained his former status in Germany as a forgotten political figure remembered now only by those in the former Eastern Zone who long for the good old days.
  
  Mark T. Christian

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  kaseycole

  October 13, 2003 04:36

  Thanks for the info!
  
  kaseycole

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  kaseycole

  December 26, 2003 08:17

  FYI,
  
  I received a reply elsewhere regarding my inquiry on Vorm. Sauer Suhl.
  
  Vormals in English means Former. So my gun was made at the former Sauer plant in Suhl after the war when the plant was confiscated by the communists. Rolf Sauer reestablished his company in West Germany.

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