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S&W versus Ruger

Colt Super
Please note that the Ruger advocates did not dispute the truth of my post, quoted below. I have no knowledge of the trigger lock issue, but what I said is absolutely true.

"Ruger - cast frame. Smith - forged frame. Ruger - needs trigger job. Smith - doesn't. Ruger - ugly. Smith - pretty. Ruger - stronger, bulkier. Smith - lighter, slimmer.

Also, some years ago, Bill Ruger sent a letter to the Congress (both houses) advocating the banning of all magazines of over 10 rounds capacity. The letter was printed in Shooting Times magazine. Seems to me that that guy got rich from all of us, then stabbed us in the back. This seems to be all but forgotten by the shooting community.

I will NEVER buy a new Ruger."


God Bless America and...
NEVER Forget WACO
NEVER, EVER Forget 911
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  • bobski
    im so glad im not the only one in the gunwolrd that hates what ruger did to us. im forever mad at them. s&w may be brit owned, but at least they sent troops to iraq with us! buy s&w.
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  • bobski
    for the other posters that dont know how to control ones p&q's, may i say, i disapointed in the lack of ettiquette displayed. state your case more gentleman like please. this is a family website. thank you. btw...do you live in conn.? i do. now, i will hear your case. state it. btw...the factory is about 30 minutes from my home. check the old historical files and please tell me about what mr. ceo was doing against the gun movement by suggesting that he would supply locks with his guns as a kind gesture towards gun safety. i believe you will find that he was pro lock. afterall, who began gun lock experiments for leo's? whether he followed thru or not, i believe youll see he considered it. now...rebut my claim professionally with dates and facts. i will recant if im proven wrong gracefully. thank you and peace from shangrala.
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  • gruntled
    Bobski: You're WAY behind the times. The Redcoats were sent running a long time ago. Smith & Wesson was sold to an American firm long ago & the new owners repudiated the Clinton era sellout.
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  • duckhunter
    BULLSKI, YOU SURE HAVE A TIME KEEPING UP. PLEASE, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE AN EXPERT, GET THE FACTS RIGHT.

    I WOULD RATHER BE DUCK HUNTING.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by bobski
    btw...do you live in conn.? i do. now, i will hear your case. state it. btw...the factory is about 30 minutes from my home. check the old historical files and please tell me about what mr. ceo was doing against the gun movement by suggesting that he would supply locks with his guns as a kind gesture towards gun safety. i believe you will find that he was pro lock. afterall, who began gun lock experiments for leo's? whether he followed thru or not, i believe youll see he considered it. now...rebut my claim professionally with dates and facts. i will recant if im proven wrong gracefully. thank you and peace from shangrala.


    bobski...

    Where you live has nothing to do with the REAL facts behind this discussion. I am also very confused as to why you INSIST we rebutt your "opinion" with "dates and facts" when you did not provide any yourself. It is a fact that S & W sold itself to the devil during the Clinton era... fortunately for them, they have since changed ownership, and are starting to make amends. Fact - Bill Ruger did not sell out his company to the goverment in order to gain firearms contracts... unlike the other company in question. If YOU have citable evidence to the contrary, then by all means show us! Otherwise, your ramblings are NO different then anyone else's.

    Doug...

    "Ruger - cast frame. Smith - forged frame. Ruger - needs trigger job. Smith - doesn't. Ruger - ugly. Smith - pretty. Ruger - stronger, bulkier. Smith - lighter, slimmer.

    I did not dispute any of the above, but will now ask you this question... what difference does it make how the frame was made considering the metalurgy and alloys in current use? Normally when one comments or complains about "cast" alloys vs. "forged", they are implying that the cast is inferior in strength... not so with Ruger's process (you yourself admitted that the Ruger is structually stronger).

    As for needing a trigger job, EVERY revolver made can benefit from a quality trigger job... including the Smith. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder... I myself like the rugged good looks of the Ruger.

    Finally, when shooting "full house" .44 Mag. loads (which I did for many years while competing in the IHMSA Revolver Class), having a "bulkier" and "stronger" gun in my hands was a VERY good thing. During the many years that I was an active IHMSA competitor, I only saw ONE individual competing with a S & W .44 Mag. and he gave it up after it broke down on him. The Ruger and Dan Wesson made wheel guns absolutely dominated in the revolver class... might there be a few good reasons for that[?] (accuracy and durability maybe[?])


    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • bobski
    i admit, i have been out of the times for a while, thus my inquerries in adding to a discussion. but obviuosly im dealing with 'other than experts' when it comes to behaving properly in a public forum and therfore i remove myself from the thread. its obvious key indiviuals are attempting a common general discussion argument in an experts discussion forum. i will not bite and ignore the advances. if anyone is willing to catch me up on the latest happenings of ruger, please do so. i am all ears. none the less, my distain for ruger will not fade. they slapped us once, theyll do it again. i remain leary and support s&w over ruger. thus its my opinion, and i stick to it. thank you for those that attempted to answer professionally. shame to those that didnt. fyi, my facts are based on family and friends in the conn gun factories throughout conn. you all dont read local newspapers from conn i assume. regards to all.
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  • Colt Super
    My point was that Bill Ruger (Sr.) was not a friend of the shooting community - only using us for the sole purpose of enriching his family.

    The only meaningful difference between a forged frame and a cast frame is that, for equivalent strength, the cast frame must be bulkier. That may change as metallurgical techniques and alloys continue to improve. There is no disputing that the Ruger is stronger. That comes with a substantial weight aand bulk penalty.

    In terms of the trigger, my opinion - that is an "opinion" - is that I have never seen an out-of-the-box Ruger that had near as nice a trigger as an equivalently framed S&W, out-of-the-box.

    If you are a shooter, it is pretty important to realize that everything you purchase is a political statement. My statement is that I will not support Ruger by buying new guns from them.

    I guess that makes me kind oof a hippocrite, since I will buy USED Rugers. They have done some brilliant engineering over the years. Some of their shootin' irons have nothing comparable from the competition, and if you need those engineering features, you must buy Ruger. But... make my Rugers USED, please.

    God Bless America and...
    NEVER Forget WACO
    NEVER, EVER Forget 911
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  • Colt Super
    Also, isn't S&W now employee owned and operated - like Harley Davidson?

    God Bless America and...
    NEVER Forget WACO
    NEVER, EVER Forget 911
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  • captkirk3@dslextreme.com
    This Topic belongs in the GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM......

    Captain Kirk, Tech Staff
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