8mm Kurtz
Can anyone tell me about this cartridge?
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Here's a excellent link, that goes into great detail regarding the 7.92 x 33.
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Other than a few late war K98's and some Volksgewehr, it's strictly a WWII German assault rifle cartridge
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It behooves one to be wary when among strangers and not to trust too much L'Amour0 -
Although the Germans had a fine service cartridge in the form of the 8mm (7.92X57) "Mauser", there were a number of forward German military thinkers during the late 1920's who felt that cartridge had reached the end of its useful life. Studies of data from WWI showed that very little aimed rifle fire took place at ranges beyond 400 meters and it appeared to be a total waste of time to continue to issue weapons chambered for the 1,000 meter range of the 8mm service round. Many of these same ideas were going on in the United states at this same time with our own .30-06 under threat of being replaced by the .276 cartridge.
Some early experiments using shortend 8mm rounds were conducted by the RWS company well outside the German ordnance system and without official military support. The first of these new cartridges was an 8X42mm round developed for use in a new autoloading rifle designed by Karl Heinemann of Rheinmetall, it went no where but proved the concept was sound. GECO later developed an 8X46mm cartridge and by 1934 the German Army became interested in the project. Between 1934 and 1939 there were several shortened cartridges developed and a few even reached the testing stage when it appeared that the German Air Force would adopt its own automatic service rifle independent of the Army. When the war began in late 1939 the time for experimentation was at a close and the firm of Polte in Magdeburg was given a contract for the express purpose of developing an short mid-range infantry cartridge. Polte decided to simply shorten the current 8mm round down to 30mm but later changed this to 33mm and by 1940 had an acceptable design. German Ordnance accepted the new round in 1941 and named it the 7.9mm Infanterie Kurz Patrone (Infantry Short Cartridge). The arms firms of Haenel and Walther were already working on selective fire rifles chambered for this new infantry cartridge and testing on the Russian front would determine which of the two rifle designs would be adopted.
The first combat use of the new cartridge took place in late 1942 near the Russian city of Cholm. The troops issued the new selective fire rifles issued glowing reports and Hitler himself is claimed to have given the winning Haenel rifle design the name Strumgewehr (assault rifle), even though he originally opposed the concept of a less powerful infantry cartridge. Balistically the new cartridge used a 125 gr bullet fired at a MV of around 2200 fps.-- nearly identical to the Russian 7.62X39mm round. The only production rifles ever chambered for this cartridge were the Strumgewehr series of German infantry weapons so you won't likely come across these rounds very often and when you do the original German ammunition is collectable. There was some former East German ammo on the market a few years back at lower cost, but since the rifles themselves sell in the $10,000+ price range ammunition prices are usually not so much of a concern. I believe that the standard 8mm round can be shortend to the correct length and that dies are availablee from commercial firms for resizing. This is a very brief look at a very complicated subject and an interesting cartridge.
Mark T. Christian0 -
Thanks,for the replies.The question I now have is do I want this caliber in a bolt action?
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If an original WWII rifle, a YES would suffice. Who is offering one?
A man who starts imagining that others think good because he does is simply out of his mind
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No not a ww2 rifle,it's a custom.
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As Mark said in his post, the original ammo is virtually unobtainable in quantity for shooting (collectors items). To try to manufacture in quanity for shooting from modern brass, would be a major pain in the butt.
You got a Volks Gewehr 5 your figureing on shooting, it's not a good idea. There worth between 4 & 6 thousand dollars, way to much to be shooting.0 -
Go out and purchase a brand new CZ 527 carbine chambered for the Russian 7.62X39mm round if you need a bolt action rifle with this sort of ballistics. Why on earth anyone would build a custom rifle chambered for a totally obsolete and very expensive foreign military cartridge is beyond my understanding. Are you 100% sure that the rifle is chambered for the 8mm kurz round and not the full sized 8mm Mauser cartridge?
Mark T. Christian0 -
Mark,I want and a need left handed bolt.And yes it's an 8mm Kurtz.
Thanks to all
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As far as I now the official caliber nams is 8 x 33 Iw as used in the sturmgewehr 44 (assault rifle 44) the 44 is the year of introduction. I have seen the sturmgewehr 44 in german gun shows and the ammunition, too. I personally have a round that somebody found in the ground. As far as I know there was never a bolt action made in this caliber.
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brecht, CUSTOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What part of the word custom don't you understand.I find people (some not all ) give answers without reading all the posts.
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