? WHAT DOES FFL DEALER SEND UNLICENSED PERSON
Hi, I need an accurate answer to this one:
An individual without an FFL sells a gun to an out-of-state FFL holder. What does the FFL holder send to the individual to document, positively, that he is in fact a dealer and therefore it is OK for the individual to ship to him? There seems to be some question, in some quarters, if it is OK or not for an FFL holder to send a signed copy of his FFL to an individual. I have searched BATF FAQs etc. but did not find my answer. If he can't send an FFL to an individual what does he send in lieu of that? Your expertise is greatly appreciated. Bob
An individual without an FFL sells a gun to an out-of-state FFL holder. What does the FFL holder send to the individual to document, positively, that he is in fact a dealer and therefore it is OK for the individual to ship to him? There seems to be some question, in some quarters, if it is OK or not for an FFL holder to send a signed copy of his FFL to an individual. I have searched BATF FAQs etc. but did not find my answer. If he can't send an FFL to an individual what does he send in lieu of that? Your expertise is greatly appreciated. Bob
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If you were to sell a gun to an unlicensed individual out of state, you have to send it to an FFL to transfer ownership to him. The normal protocol is to confirm that he is a licensed individual by getting a copy of his license with an ink signature. If the buyer is a licensee you send it to him the same way.
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In addition to the above, BATF strongly recommends that you validate the FFL photocopy you receive by going to the BATF EZ-Check site; enter the information on the FFL, & learn instantly if their records match. Gunbroker also has a page that contains helpful information on this subject.
Make sure that the receiving FFL is willing to accept the gun from a nonlicensed person; some, out of either ignorance or caution, won't. I suggest that you offer to include a photocopy of your drivers license; that will provide the receiving FFL with the information that he needs to complete an accurate entry in his bound book.
I assume that you know HOW to ship a firearm; if not, come back.
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A dealer is not required to send a certified copy of his license to an unlicensed individual but can do so if he desires. At a minimum, you will need the first 3 and the last 5 numbers of his FFL. You can then go to the BATF eZCheck site and verify the license and premises address. See the link.
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quote:Originally posted by nmyers
Make sure that the receiving FFL is willing to accept the gun from a nonlicensed person; some, out of either ignorance or caution, won't. I suggest that you offer to include a photocopy of your drivers license; that will provide the receiving FFL with the information that he needs to complete an accurate entry in his bound book.
As a private individual who has shipped firearms to FFL's out-of-state, I've not only included a photo-copy of my driver's license, but also a signed statement giving the FFL permission to verify my driver's license with any local law enforement in his area, if he should desire to. That way he can be sure the firearm is really coming from me and that the photo-copy of my license is legit.0 -
When I send a copy of my FFL I write on it.FILE COPY ONLY and underline ONLY.
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The gun dealer should provide his FFL number only,not a signed copy to a non licensed person.Then after the non licensed person is able to verify the FFL holder's legitimacy.The non licensed person shipping the gun should provide his pertinent info with copies of his Driver's license with current address,dob,hair color,eye color,weight,height,and expiration date.He should also include a copy of his Social Security card,and home phone number.Since he is representing himself as the actual seller of the firearm to the dealer.The dealer needs to treat the transaction as if the non licensed person who shipped the gun was right in front of him completing a form 4473.Anything less would be suicide by the license dealer,since he does not know who this person is shipping the firearm to him.I have had 2 bad experiences with gun transactions,1 by a non licensed person,and even 1 by a licensed dealer who did not want to send a signed copy of his FFL to me for my records.Remember "NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE STUPIDITY OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC".I will never ever under any circumstances handle another transaction for a non licensed person again.No offense,but it is just not worth the hassle. 0 -
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Hello, "He should also include a copy of his Social Security card,and home phone number." Nice try but I sure wouldn't. They don't NEED that information.
Michael
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Social Security number? Don`t do it.Send em your wifes measurements instead. 0 -
It is required in the Pawn Business in my home state.On form 4473 it is optional of course,but it does speed up a back ground check.All of the info I request,I am bound by confidentiality laws and it is kept for my records.Not to be sold to some mailing list!Does anybody keep records?A sharp short pencil is better than a long memory any day!Any gun transaction conducted by a licensed dealer,who has half a brain had better get a phone number by the person he is doing business with.Here Chew on this senario.Have you ever had a delayed transaction that went beyond the 72 hr limit?You can contact the Nics background check,and if no answer has been provided you can turn over the firearm,correct?Well if you turn over the firearm and a Nics examiner calls back and tells you the person was "denied" YOU HAD BETTER HAVE A PHONE NUMBER AND AN ADDRESS!An ATF agent will be in touch with you very soon after that.And yes it is an added bonus in your favor to have a copy of a social security number as well! 0
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