mak 90 pre ban or post ban?
I have a norinco mak 90 sporter. On it is engraved A.C.C int'l/intrac, knoxville tn. on the side. My father said the man he bought it from said he had taken the original stock and pistol grip off and sold them to someone else. It now has a chunky thumb hole stock on it. I think it is a pre-ban because it has a threaded barrel. My father says any mak 90 with a threaded barrel is a pre-ban but I want to know FOR SURE. Please tell me how I can find out.
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Mak-90 was the new model name for the post ban guns.
The cut off the bayo lugs, ground down the threads on the barrel, and put a thumbhole on the guns.
Take a closer look at the barrel, the threads maybe ground down, but remain slightly.
Technicaly with a thumbhole stock, you can have a threaded barrel. If it was a traditional pistol grip setup, it could not have a threaded barrel.0 -
MAK-90 means Modified AK after 1990 which means your rifle is post ban,buy still is a great shooter.
IT,S BETTER TO BE JUDGED BY 12,THAN CARRIED BY 6!0 -
Actually it means "M"odified AK "OF" 1990. The ban that stopped the imported AK's was in March of 1989. The lawyers for the importers figured out how to modify the AK's and started bringing them in in 1990. In most cases you'll find that the front of the barrel has actually been taken down on a lathe. The lines you see are machining marks not threads. However, some of the MAK90's did come in with a thread protector over the actual threads. They were supposed to be welded in place or otherwise permanantly covered, but sometimes they were over looked. I've handled a few that just had a sleeve over the threads that would screw right off. They weren't supposed to however.
If it says MAK90, it is 100% post ban. That is the 1989 ban that is. And for that matter all MAK90's would be pre-ban in regards to the 1994 ban, but since that ban specifically was a domestic ban that affected the US made weapons, that is academic. The Chinese MAK90's were halted from imort in May 1994, almost 4 months before the 1994 Crime Bill was signed in September. So all MAK90's would be specifically "POST" 89 BAN and "PRE" 94 BAN.
For the most part, the 1994 ban affected domestic production the way the 1989 ban affected the imports. The 1994 ban did allow for one feature of the resticted features to remain; the pistol grip, bayonet lug, or flash hider, etc. You could have one, but not two or more. For example, the AR15 can still have its grip, the M1 carbine can still have a bayonet lug, and the Springfield M1A can still have a flash hider (although not in California). Again they can have only one feature but not two. In the case of the imports and the 1989 ban, they couldn't even have one feature. Hence the thumbhole stock, no bayonet lug, no folding stocks, and no flash hiders. You see various imports now that have the pistol grip only because they have had enough US parts put into them to qualify as a US/import hybrid and then fall within the 1994 restrictions and have one of the "evil" features.0 -
Some of those welded-on thread protectors were removed by people who could use a fine jeweler's saw and file on the thin spotwelds! They weren't necessarily overlooked, but illegally modified afterwards.
These folk are all basically correct, there is no such thing as a preban MAK 90. It was the 1989 ban that killed the "real" AK, not the 1994 ban. Even though many will tell you, since the MAK-90 was made prior to 1994, it is preban. Fact is, it was illegal to alter the MAK-90, changing it to assault weapon configuration, even before the 1994 ban.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.0 -
Boeboe, I was specifically referring to some of the MAK90's that I got new, sealed in the box from the importer that had the thread protector, but were NEVER welded in the first place. However, yes there were many times that I saw MAK's that people cut the welds on as well. On some of the ones that were overlooked, all you had to do was turn them with your fingers and they came right off. There were some NHM91's that had the muzzle nut held in place with the standard pin that comes out of the front sight housing. Normally the pin was spring loaded and all you had to do was push it in to allow the nut to be turned. On those they simply put in a pin that was longer or reversed so that it wouldn't push in and clear the nut or comp. There by making it permanent. However you could drive out the cross pin that held that pin in and then remove the nut.
There were a number of different methods used to make the guns legal for import after the ban. Some were effective, others were not, especially if a person had intentions to do the wrong thing and make changes. On their behalf, many at the time didn't know or understand that making those changes were illegal. They wanted their post-ban gun to look like their buddies pre-ban gun and saw the parts available for purchase. Unfortunately ignorance of the law is no defense.
Additionally to clarify once again, ALL MAK90's are POST-BAN.
This is in reference to the ban that affects them, which is the 1989 ban.
The 1994 "Crime Bill" Ban had nothing to do with the MAK90.0 -
this MAK 90 has a threaded barrel with a flash hider screwed onto it. I see no evidence of it ever being spot welded. Is this legal? if not what do I have to do to make it so? 0 -
Maybe, if you are sure the gun slipped through, it would be fine like it is. To be safe...
You would have to add a few USA made parts, and you cannot put a pistol grip on it. For a gun to be considered "Made in the USA" it cannot have over 10 of the following:
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(4) Muzzle attachments
(5) Bolts
(6) Bolt carriers
(7) Gas pistons
(8) Triggers
(9) Hammers
(10) Disconnectors
(11) Buttstocks
(12) Pistol grips
(13) Forearm handguards
(14) Magazine body
(15) Followers
(16) Floorplates
If you replace enough parts so there is not over 10 of the above, it would be considered a US made rifle and not subject to the 1989 ban. It would still be subject to the 1994 ban, which says the (AK47) rifle cannot have two or more of the following:
1. Pistol grip
2. Folding stock
3. Flash hider, or a threaded barrel to accomodate one
4. Bayonet lug
5. Grenade launcher
Using the Chicom M14S as an example, it is legal to have a threaded barrel/flash hider on one as long as the necessary number of US made parts were added to allow it to qualify as a US made rifle. If you don't have over 10 imported parts, you can have one, and only one of the five (5) qualifiers that make an assault weapon.
There are companies that sell enough US made parts that could be added to allow you to keep the flash hider/threaded barrel. But don't add more than that.
To err is human, to moo is bovine.0 -
So if I have a threaded barrel with a flash hider screwed onto it can I put a AMERICAN MADE stock set with a pistol grip on it? If not can I put a dragunov stock on it instead? This thumb hole stock is awkward. 0
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