Pre-ban/Post-ban
OK, I'm new and dumb. Would someone please explain this to me, in words a moron can understand?
Can you re-fit a post-ban firearm to pre-ban specs, legally, as a private person?
I know it's OK to use pre-ban mags in post-ban pistols, but there seems to be a lot more to it than that.
Are the pre-ban/post-ban laws different in different states? I live in Orygun.
Can you re-fit a post-ban firearm to pre-ban specs, legally, as a private person?
I know it's OK to use pre-ban mags in post-ban pistols, but there seems to be a lot more to it than that.
Are the pre-ban/post-ban laws different in different states? I live in Orygun.
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There are two types of post ban firearms: The first types were imported military style sei automatic rifles like HK's and AK's which had pistol grips, bayonet lugs, folding stocks, and other military features; These firearms were banned from import in early 1989. The second ban, the 1994 Crime Bill, effects domestic firearms like AR-15 type rifles and and bans pretty much the same features as the 1989 foreign import ban, although you can have a pistol grip if you have no other "deadly features" which are listed in the Crime Bill...you are allowed only one and most folks choose a pistol grip.
As a private individual you are not allowed to take a post 1994 ban rifle and convert it to pre ban specs...you just cannot do it. In the case of a post 1989 foreign semi automatic rifle with a legal thumbhole stock you can add a pistol grip to the rifle if you replace at least 10 of 20 very specific parts with idnetical parts made in the USA. Even so, you cannot add any other features banned under the 1994 Crime Bill. This is why you will often see AK, HK, and FAL type rifles available for sale; these rifles have had certain parts replaced with USA made components and are no longer considered foreign firearms. This is a VERY brief explaination and I have not even scratched the surface of everything involved here.
Mark T. Christian0 -
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
...thumbhole stock you can add a pistol grip to the rifle if you replace at least 10 of 20 very specific parts with idnetical parts made in the USA...
Mark T. Christian
close... there is a maximum of 10 (from specific list) foreign parts allowed otherwise the firearm is considered an import... there is no mandatory number of parts that must be replaced, it varies by model... whatever is needed to keep the imported parts count to 10 or less.0 -
Quite correct Vic and my mistake for transposing those two catagories. Do you have the ability to post the specific list of parts from another web site so that Doug can look them over? I'd have to hand type them all and just don't feel up to it tonight!
Mark T. Christian0 -
You folks are really nice to put up with my idiot questions... and to answer them with such clarity.
As a supposition, could you take a current model rifle, that never, ever had any of that stuff on that partticular model, and install a pistol grip, flash hider, bayonet lug and folding stock, and have a legal weapon?
Also, as a practical matter, do people REALLY get arrested and/or weapons confiscated, for retrofitting pre-ban accessories on a post-ban weapon?
In my personal experience, I've never had any kind of authority ask to inspect whatever weapon I had with me at the time of the encounter.
Are the penalties for this sort of violation severe, or are they more like a fix-it ticket?
Doesn't this stuff seem like a silly thing for our Government to spend time on? Is someone shot with a pre-ban weapon deader than one shot with a post-ban weapon? (rhetorical question - I DO know the answer to that one)
I'm really interested, and I certainly appreciate you all taking the time with me to answer these questions.
Thank you very much, again. From... Doug0 -
No, the 1989 ban specifically prohibits a person from manufacturing from parts any firearm which would be otherwise prohibited from importation. Thr 1994 Crime Bill prohibits the manufacture of any new "assault weapons" after 13 September, 1994 unless these new AW's are produced specifically for law enforcement, military, or export sales and you'd need to be a licensed firearms manufacturuer in order to produce post 1994 AW's. I have no statistics as to how many people have been prosecuted on "stand alone" firearms violations of the Crime Bill, but probably not too many...just make sure you are NOT the lone example since the penalties are serve: jail time and a large fine. Your final question calls for an editorial and is better suited to the General Discussion forum, rather then Ask The Experts.
Mark T. Christian0 -
I think this is all of the designated parts that the BTAFE recognizes for imported parts count ... there could be a few more but I can't think of them ...
(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(4) Muzzle attachments
(5) Bolts
(6) Bolt carriers
(7) Gas pistons
(8) Triggers
(9) Hammers
(10) Disconnectors
(11) Buttstocks
(12) Pistol grips
(13) Forearm handguards
(14) Magazine body
(15) Followers
(16) Floorplates
Remember, you don't have to replace all these parts to be considered a domestic sporting rifle, but you can't have more than 10 imported parts - the rest have to be US made.
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kimberkid@cox.net0 -
Doug,
If you list the type of firearm in question, a more specific answer you will get. Hypothetically!!!!0 -
I'm thinking of a Remington semi-auto carbine in .30-06 which I have, that has already been converted to use 20 round BAR mags. 0 -
Firstly, a big thanks to Kimber for posting that list of imported parts. Some day I may learn to use this computer and do these things for myself! Now Doug what you have on your hands right now is a semi automatic rifle with the ability to accepts a detachable magazine-- not currently an assault weapon by definition. You have the option at this point of adding ONE banned feature to your Remington: a pistol grip, folding stock (but not if the stock also has a pistol grip), a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor, a threaded barrel, or a grenade launcher. None of these items really strikes me as a good choice for your Remington, although personal preference is the key on this issue. Keep in mind that you can thread the barrel and install a muzzel device like a muzzel brake and then have it permanently attached (welding or silver solder) without having this count as a banned feature. We stand ready for more questions and please, don't refer to yourself as a dumb or a moron just because you are a new guy...we'll determine this for ourseleves IF you stick around here long enough!
Mark T. Christian0 -
Well... thank you for the excellent answers. I still feel pretty dumb compared to y'all.
One more question about this: you keep referring to "imported parts". What about parts I make for myself?0 -
Doug, keep in mind that if you did make a change that was illegal and was convicted of such felony, then as a convected felon you could never possess any firearm again. It's just not worth the long term results of such acts.
There are numerous firearms available with the options you may want. While some cost less and some more than your rifle, most will hold up better mechanicaly than the Rem.semiauto for their intended purpose.
Welcome to the board.0 -
Thank you all again for the great information. I've always loved to learn... some misinformed people have called me opinionated - who, ME??? never ME!! But, I really do love to learn.
I guess what I'd really like to have is an assault style M-1 Garand. Was the Beretta BM-59 cambered in .30-06, or 7.62 NATO? Those puppies are probably WAY out of my price range, though.0
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