ww2 30-06 black tip bullets.
i believe these to be 1945 AP rounds. i have a bunch that appear to be corroding by turning green on one side. about 10. whats happening inside? obviously i dont want to use these; and, all my 30-06's are sold off, so they are just collecting dust. does anyone know a value i can start them out at on gb? any idea what they will climb to? i have about 50 of them. you can post your response here or email me thru my profile. thanks!
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I'm not a cartridge expert by any means but I do think they are AP but aren't too valuable; maybe a dollar per round. Corrosion outside probably has nothing to do with the inside but if conditions were bad enough to corrose the outside odds are the primer is shot by now and/or the powder has degraded. If it were me I'd pull a few and shoot them, or try and sell em at a cartridge collector show.
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Look at the cartridge base. You will find the "headstamp" located there, as you will on any cartridge. Military cartridges will have the arsenal code and date of manufacture contained there. You say you think what you have are "1945"; well, if that is the case there should be a "45" stamped there as well as say perhaps an "LC" (for Lake City), or another two letter code for another location of manufacture.
I don't think there is a great deal of value for what you have really. If they are in the original boxes and the boxes are full, that is another story though...some value there...maybe $30-$40. As on a per cartridge basis...maybe a dollar each.
I'm not sure if age has anything to do with it, but AP's are illegal in some states. Make sure you make a disclaimer to have buyers beware and not bid on a cartridge that is illegal in their state...such as Illinois for example.
"Iconoclast" is someone here who would truly be "the" expert regarding cartridge collecting.0 -
I havent seen these on the market for some time. These were designed to take out the light armored cars and light tanks. They have the solid hard core and are painted black on the tip. These will go through cars and trucks like they were butter. I guess you can sell them. These are not just fmj. they are solid. They do not deform on impact. they are metal piercing. 0 -
BLACK....Armor Piercing....
Blue.....Incinderary
Red/Orange....Tracer.............
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quote:Originally posted by TED GAR
They have the solid hard core and are painted black on the tip.
The hard-core is tungsten steel...with a very sharp point.
Some resourceful individuals have occasionally removed and used the tungsten core from .50 cal. AP's to use as a center-punch prior to drilling holes through metal. The size of the .50 cal., verses the .30 cal., makes them more practicle for this purpose.0 -
I would be surprised if you could sell corroded ammo at any price.
USGI AP ammo is not that scarce. I have been using it for practice ammo for years in my M1 rifles (it is more accurate than M2 ball). Most of it is de-linked machine gun ammo.
I found the federal regs to be unclear, but I believe that AP ammo may be restricted to LE, military, FFLs, & C&Rs. To be safe, I'd want to see something in writing before I would take a chance on offering any AP ammo.
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The black-tipped bullets are for sale at several auction sites. As I understand it, they are not restricted, exactly. They can not be loaded in any handgun round. Since the Contrnder, Stryker, and other hunting handguns, are available in so many calibers, this limits their use.
As far as I can tell, the factory loaded 30/06 is still legal.
They are useless for anything, except punching holes and as a curiosity. We used to buy them in M-1 clips at surplus stores for $1.00 for the whole clip. I used them in an '03 Springfield to kill rabbits. The AP bullets do suprisingly little damage since it does not expand.
Wish I still had that '03, and a truckload of those loaded clips. LOL
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bobski-
I became curious after responding to your posting how that it is possible for someone with your past military experience and extensive knowledge of it's small arms to not be familiar with AP ammo? I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I do find that to be very bewildering.
By the way, what happened to all of the credentials that usually follow your postings; citing your vast military and firearms experience/expertise? Just curious. [?]
nmeyers-
Yep, the corrosion would not make it very desirable since AP ammo is not really that scarce...except perhaps for the era (WWII headstamp).0 -
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That sounds dreadful bobski. I hope you find some peace someday with the sacrifices you are making. I admire what you are doing. The roles do become reversed in life as the child sometimes become the parent's parent.
Although my situation does not have me nearly as invested as yours, it is enough so that I can appreciate what you have said. I try to not be resentful about it, but sometimes it is difficult not to be.
It sounds like you are dealing with it adequately...that is; keeping your sanity. Your writing is coherent! [:D]
Best wishes to you bobski. A million dollars of therapy after your parents pass-on will not do for you what you are doing now. Take care!0 -
thank you my friend. now...time to board up the windows! i'll see you guys on the other side of this storm! 0 -
Bobski-Hang in there, I'm taking care of my 83yr old mother.If I was closer I'd help ya with the storm-catch ya later-Bob
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Hang On SKI....Got the new boat...long Story....Will write soon...Bro
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