CZ-75
'm new to the site but wanted to ask all of my fellow firearm-lovers out there what they know of the CZ-75. I have heard alot about it but am not quite sure what to believe. I hear that the best one is the "Model 1", that this was made out of a superior alloy. The subsequent models were made after the government fell on hard times, and a cheaper grade of steel was used in their construction to deal with the increase in demand for these pistols.
Also, I read that Sweden wanted to make the CZ-75 their military pistol but stipulated that they wanted the slide-rails extended (and several other modifications) which threw-off the balance of the gun, and this named the "Model 2". After this there have been many other iterations and copies of the gun, but the Model 1 seems to have endured the rigors of time.
My main question is, are there any more Model 1's out there (I've searched far and wide and come up with 'nada'), and are the other models just as good -- such as the ones you can buy direct from "CZ-USA.com" today?
Hope some of you guys out there know this gun and can help me out. Thanks a bunch!
Also, I read that Sweden wanted to make the CZ-75 their military pistol but stipulated that they wanted the slide-rails extended (and several other modifications) which threw-off the balance of the gun, and this named the "Model 2". After this there have been many other iterations and copies of the gun, but the Model 1 seems to have endured the rigors of time.
My main question is, are there any more Model 1's out there (I've searched far and wide and come up with 'nada'), and are the other models just as good -- such as the ones you can buy direct from "CZ-USA.com" today?
Hope some of you guys out there know this gun and can help me out. Thanks a bunch!
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I have a CZ-75 9mm pistol that I'm curious about . It's stamped CZ-75 , Made in Czech Republic , AAL Phila., PA on the left side , The controls are on the left side only , Black plastic grips , commander style hammer , it's SA,DA fixed sights . I looked on the auction sites and didn't see one like it , It's in beautiful condition , not a scratch on it ! I've had it about ten years and I took it in trade on something and it was used when I got it . It has 2 Magazines one 15 round and one 20 round . 0 -
I have never heard of the model one or model two bit... I have two, one from the 80's which was imported by a company in rocky river, OH which is a straight model 75. and another which is a "B" series imported by CZ-USA in 99; model 75BD(d = decocker)(SA= single action)
(etc). The difference in the guns as best I can tell is the b series has a squared trigger guard, rounded hammer and a firing pin safety. the origional has a round trigger guard, spur hammerand no FPS. The trigger isn't quite as good in the "b" as the original, and the "b" looks more modern. The trigger in both is still better out of the box than any Sa/da pistol I have ever fired. I have more thouands of rounds out of my BD than I can tell for sure. Probably 20-30k in the last 4 years. still as tight as the older gun which has only 5k or less.
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Hello Cats,
I don't have a deep history of the CZ75s but I own two and I would own more if you'd loan me the $$$. Look at my auction on GunBroker for the CZ Anniversary 75 model I have up for auction. This pistol (the CZ) is copied closely by Tangfoglio and others like the Magnum Eagle and others. They say imitation is the highest form of flattery!! I also own a CZ P-01....what a great little gun!! In my fat hand, the CZs fit perfectly and I can give any shooter a run for his money on bullseyes. I have had ZERO problems or failures. I also own a CZ Kadet .22 and want to get a CZ 83. I have a CZ 70 a CZ 52 and a CZ Duo......somebody stop me!! I want more CZs!!!!
Jim
GunHawke
"They blink an eye or draw a breath before they pull a trigger. I won't!" J.B. Books0 -
Yup, CZ firearms are super sweet-they've been around for quite awhile and they have a good reputation. I've handled a few and my old man has a rifle. I'd have to say that CZ workmanship is top notch and up there with some other great manufacturers. Plus, their prices are fantastic! Try going with the one of the CZ 75 pistols and a Kadet .22LR conversion kit-You could probably get both for less than $500.00![8D]
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The early CZ-75 pistols all had short side rails, were without the half cock for position for the hammer and had much different plastic stocks (grip plates) then the current pistols. Nearly every early example I've seen had a high qualtiy commercial blued finish and it appeared these pistols were clearly for export. There was nothing at all attractive about the factory packaging; the pistols were shipped in a plain cardboard box with cutouts for the pistol, extra magazine, and a cleaning brush. During the time period of the first CZ-75 production run these pistols were not available for import into the United States due to very high tariffs and other trade restrictions we placed on communist nations. As a result nearly every first model CZ-75 you'll come across either "found" its way into the USA by means otherwise best left undisclosed or was brought back by service personel staitoned overseas.
No matter how they arrived, these early pistols command big premiums to collectors when compared to the later imports and are hard to find. Pragotrade in Canada was considered by most to be the major importer of these early guns and that firm is often mentioned in pricing publications. There were a few others handling CZ imports, but the exact importer has little or no effect of the early pistols value. These first run CZ-75 pistols can be located with some effort, but be prepared to pay a minimum of double the retail price of a current production CZ-75. I've never heard anything about a change in the quality of the steel used to produce the pistols in differing time periods.
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I too have never heard of a CZ-75 "Model 1" and a "Model 2," but then I do not claim to be an expert on CZ pistols. I do know that the early pistols have short rails and later pistols have longer rails, which is said to be an improvement, not the reverse as GSC implies.
I have never heard of the Swiss contemplating adoption of the pistol as the Swiss service pistol. That seems illogical because I believe the SIG line has occupied that position for decades. The Swiss did build some copies of the CZ75 as I recall. I think one was known as the Sphinx, and the others were known as the Action Arms AT-84 and AT-88. There may have been others, but I cannot recall them now.
Like most guns, the older the gun, the better the fit and finish, but I do not believe function is any different between an early high polish blue gun and a later painted gun. They all are among the most reliable pistols ever made. I prefer the older guns for that reason, and the absence of the ugly hooked trigger guard that CZ insists on putting on current production. Most everyone in the world abandoned that design feature years ago, about the time CZ adopted it.
As inexpensive as current production is, if you do not like it, you are not out much, and can probably get much of your money out of it if you keep box and papers, etc.. Another positive feature is that 15-round magazines are readily available at reasonable prices.
If you want an early high polish, short rail pistol(perhaps such a pistol would be the "Model 1" mentioned), expect to pay over $1000 IF you can ever find one.0 -
Having collected both CZ & BRNO guns for over a dozen years I would go for the older guns as the quality is much better on the older guns.(my opinion)The older pistols also had better triggers. The early pistols had the trigger parts coated with a very hard but very smooth alloy. If you compare an older trigger with a newer gun out of the box you will see what I mean. 0 -
Thanks for all the help guys. I m currently still looking for the earlier Model pistols, but have had little luck. Most of what I know of the pistol is from some random sitings in books and whatever I have gathered on the net, but getting the perspective from you guys certainly helps. If I can't find an original maybe I'll go with a new one until an original comes my way -- I really liked the way they used to look along with the original hammer style and trigger guard (for the life of me I can't figure out why CZ went with that squared in their new models).
Again many thanks for the history and practicle knowledge thru use, you guys have provided!0 -
Like CzechMate2, have alse been a fervent fan of the CZ for years.
You'll hardly find the 'earlier' models as the were an non import item which will not have any import marks on them.
They are becoming much harder to find. especially with the box & papers.
I have a couple 'early' models, and some Anniversary's. While not the most expensive guns I own, definately among the most prized.
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I don't know much about the earlier models but I have a CZ-75B and a CZ75-PCR which stands for POLICE OF CZECH REPUBLIC.The PCR has a alloy frame,loaded chamber indicator,factory rubber grips and de-cocker so you can lower the hammer on a live round without worry.Both of these guns are awesome and as the others have said you can't beat the price!One more thing that might be of interest to you,I had the mag-well machined down on the PCR to accept smith and wesson 13 round mags,(the factory mags are 10 rounders)and they work perfect.I hope this helps you out GOOD LUCK! 0 -
Personally think the PCR is one of the best compacts made. My personal choice in a 9mm. Will be converting one to 41AE.
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