CMP???
What is involved with the CMP and what type of firearms are available? How do you qualify? Will a C&R help?
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go to the cmp website and they will explain. or, go to the navy website and they will patch you. www.usnst.org. good luck!
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction.0 -
Several grades of M1 rifls are currently available, as are M1903 & M1903A3 rifles. Other models are offered as they become available. A C&R is of no value when purchasing from them, as they run an Insta-Check on all purchasers, & can ship directly to you.
Check out their website at: www.odcmp.com
Neal0 -
I just returned from the annual Garand Collectors Association meeting in Reno. A featured speaker was Orest Michaels of the CMP. I was lucky enough to get 15 minutes alone with the man and asked PLENTY of questions! Get yourself set up with the CMP right now because next year there are going to be LOTS of interesting and exciting items available. Much of this I promised not to talk about but I can tell everyone that the CMP expects to receive over 25 million rounds of .30M2 Ball ammo. It all comes linked and must be delinked and the tracers removed before it os offered for sale, but the .30-06 ammo situation appears to be no where near as dire as many of us had thought! There are also large numbers of additional M1 Service Rifles expected to be released by the Army which were just returned to the USA by a NATO ally who received them under the MAP program. There is much more, but I promised not to talk.
Neal, if you are reading this I asked Orest Michaels about the M14 Service Rifles and you were quite correct, the Army has only about 20,000 left in inventory and NONE will be released to the CMP at any point in time, even if enabling legislation were passed in Congress. The CMP is tired of all of those stupid petitions on possible M14 sales..."It won't happen". Anything you sign or click on line is just giving out your e-mail address to someone for who knows what purpose, but it won't be for an M14 purchase from the CMP!
Mark T. Christian0 -
im sure class 3 dealers can pipe in and help this topic point but surplus m-14 receivers can be had if they are sold cut in half with the halves seperated in lots. buy a lot of halves as scrap. spend a day sorting, and if youre lucky to get one cut in half and not torched in half to match.....what you do with them afterwards is not my concern.....follow me? there are dealers in this operation all thru the gun world. just ask.
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction.0 -
Sorry bobski, but, here in the US, what you do with the M14 receiver halves IS the concern of BATFE. Hundreds of rewelds produced by Mike Kelly Enterprises have been seized within the last year, even though they had been remanufactured so that they could not possibly be converted to full auto.
As for Class III, no new full autos can be made (or remanufactured) for commercial sale.
Neal0 -
Perhaps one of the gaggle can point out that DEALERS who've paid the Special Occupational Tax-- CLASS 3, have no ability to manufacture National Firearms Act weapons of any kind. In order to do this a person must hold a TYPE 7 FFL and have paid the SOT Tax as an NFA firearms manufacturer-- CLASS 2. The tax for this is $1,000 per year or fraction there of and there is a reduced $500 fee for smaller manufacturers...follow me? As for scrapped receivers: Once the scrapped receivers are rewelded they must be stamped with the name of the new manufacturer and reserialized. These new machineguns can NEVER be transfered to an individual in the United States and will be sold strictly as restricted dealer sales samples, law enforcement, or export only. I've been in this business for 25 years and I don't need to ask around...I already know most of the guys in the industry and lots of them ask ME questions! My comment on M14 rifle sales was strictly regarding the possible sale of surplus M14 Service Rifles through the CMP with in the confines of the United States...follow me? How is the gun business these days in Bangladesh?
Mark T. Christian0 -
Mark-Follow me!
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Mark, interestingly I know the CMP does(or did) have at least a few match grade M14s that had been loaned out to various state High Power Associations for CMP sponsored matches. I had a TRW M14 issued to me from the Michigan Association to support my efforts with junior program High Power shooting. Several years ago(4?) those M14s were recalled and sent back to the CMP ostensibly because so many more people were shooting AR15's now and that it made no sense to keep shooting and maintaining obsolete weapons. I always wondered if it might have been a political ploy by CMP to regain control of those weapons simply because they didn't want shooters to start pestering the CMP for them. Beach 0 -
Back in around 1962 the Director of Civilian Marksmanship ordered 1,000 M14 Service Rifles, national match specs, converted to semi automatic for loan and possible sales to clubs and qualified NRA members. The rifle conversion was done by eliminating the selector switch and welding the selector shaft in the semi automatic position. At the time the ATTU (as the BATFE was know in those days) allowed these rifles to be sold but it later reversed its opinion; this was at the same time the Browning G1 FAL rifles were causing such a controversey. There are a number of these M14NM rifles in private hands-- I've seen them-- and as long as they are not modified back to selectfire they are grandfathered as legal. Most of the examples I've come across were from Springfield Armory, but no doubt the other manufacturers (Olin, TRW, H&R) made some as well. State rifle associations and other clubs continued to have these rifles issued to them for many years but none have been released to individuals for private sales in decades.
Mark T. Christian0 -
beachmaster73-
Regarding the CMP/M14 affiliation in the past;
A book titled: "Springfield Armory, Shoulder Weapons 1795-1968", Author; Robert W.D. Ball, Copyright 1997.
Page 256 states;
"Through the director of Civilian Marksmanship, the M14M Semi-Automatic Rifle was intended for issue to NRA affiliated rifle clubs, and for sale to individuals. There is no selector switch, and the lock selector shaft has been welded in place. One thousand of the M14Ms were ordered in 1962."
This statement is contained in the chapter entitled; "Springfield Armory Developmental Model Rifles."
There is no further mention of whether or not the order for 1000 M14Ms was filled.
I don't know if this is the group of rifles you are referring to, but it is something I read sometime back and thought interesting...for what it's worth!0 -
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There is mention of the M14NM also. The difference between it and the M14M is described as;
1.) Hooded Rear Aperture Sight
2.) Special Sight Parts (whatever those are?)
3.) Selected Barrel
4.) Glass-Bedded Action
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